Newcastle Banter Archive January 16 2013

16 Jan 2013 23:41:23
For those that are moaning and whinging about the fact that we will not pay large transfer fees, and that we will not pay players wages above the wage cap we have set should remember these two words.

MICHAEL OWEN

That went well didn't it.

Imagine if we hadn't signed that waste of space. We could have brought in 3-4 players of a good standard for the same amount of money we threw down the toilet there. Those players could have improved the squad that eventually saw us relegated.

Col

We got compensation for Michael Owen's injuries and we got Martins with the cash.

It is not that Owen was a bad player, he was an injury jinx.

So what lesson can we garnish from this?

Is it that we should never spend large transfer fees on players because it never works. (Show me a top club that does not pay the going rate for good players)

Or is the lesson not to spend huge fees on players with a terrible injury record.

Hmm, which one is it.

Going by your forumula we would never have got Shearer and he carried us for seasons.

Yeah good plan, not.

The point i'm trying to make is that we shouldn't load all our eggs in one basket.

Col

16 Jan 2013 23:04:27
Just think about the Remy deal from another angle...we have at least a kitty of 8million euros to spend on transfers. And I for one expect this to be spent.

Bullish!t, on that basis we should have had 12-15 mill to spend when we did not get De Jong in the summer and guess what......we did not spend it.

16 Jan 2013 22:15:01
thought we had five deals heating up nicely .utter crap we make 2.5 million bid for lb ive never heard of . pardew clearly lying again for mike asley .muppet we've played crap all season we need some experience plays to help us climb the table or it will be curtains for the toon

You mean we've all been lied to - never!
Who would have thought it?

Had you heard of cisse or tiote before we signed them? give the lad a chance before you start moaning!

Well if you've never heard of him we should get on the phone and let them know so they can cancel the bid. Shame really, because Graham Carr has wasted all that time watching players to try and get talented players that won't break the bank.

Which players have you heard of, so we can give them a list of players to bid for? I'm guessing Van Persie, Rooney, Torres, and Messi.

On a side note, i didn't realise that the window had already closed.

Col

Col, may I ask why you are acting so hysterical?

Why when someone mentions putting out an outlay for some good players, in around the 8 to 12 million mark, which should be our budget per player if we have ambition to be a top 6 club.

Spending between 8 to 12 million on a player is penny pinching for a top 6 club too.

When a fan mentions improvements for the team you ridicule him by going right of the deep end and suggesting in a sarcastic manner that we just go after players on over 200k a week and in the 25 to 60 million transfer fee bracket.

Can you please explain what your problem is with the club spending within its means.

Over the last few years the club has taken in more tranfer fees than have gone out, meaning that we have literally not invested in the team.

Just to be fair to the other fans that come on here, could you show us where any Newcastle fan has made a post asking for a transfer target that was outside of our budget?

Not sure that having a sensible view is acting in an hysterical manner.

We do have funds for players. However this is not a bottomless pit of money. When looking at a deal for a player you have to factor in the two basic costs fee, and wages. (I'll leave out agent fees, performance bonus, image rights, etc for simplicity).
If we had matched QPR's outlay for Remy then we would be signing a contract that would cost the club (estimated as actual amounts are not known) Fee: £8.5m Wages over the duration of the contract £18.72m. Total cost £27.22m

If we stick to our guns, and trust scouting, and the business model we have currently then we can get players in for far less without quality suffering and without putting the club under huge financial pressure. Using cabaye as an example. Fee £4.3m Wages (Total over same length as above 4.5yrs) £10.53m Total cost £14.83.

So we could almost have 2x Cabaye for 1x Remy.

I get really tired of fans that continually complain that we have not invested in the team. This is nonsense. Bearing in mind that we are paying off debts the previous owners left the club with. We have still managed to buy players that have improved the team/squad.

Nolan/Cabaye
Routledge/Ben Arfa
Carroll/Ba & Cisse
Simpson/Debuchy
Guthrie/Tiote

If you believe that we should go out and spend 8 - 12 million on players for every position, (88m - 132m in total) i would hate to see what would happen if we had an injury hit season like this one with the players that would need to come in as cover. The squad would consist of 11 very good players, and 14 free transfers on small wages.
Unless you are suggesting we spend 8-12m on each squad member (200m - 300m). Not forgetting wages over the duration of the contracts.

We are not going to be ran in the manner QPR are being run, and i for one am glad.

Col

I am not saying that we go out and spend 8 to 12 million per player in every position right now, I am suggesting that we do it when we need the cover for those positions. Right now that would be 3 players, 2 centrebacks and a Striker. (Investing in quality would giving us higher league position also = more money which would pay towards that investment)

Also your point about being able to buy another 2 cabayes with the money from Remy holds no water, we got very lucky to get Cabaye on a release clause, Cabaye's value is what he is worth now and that is around 20 to 25 million plus 100k a week, which we will have to pay him sooner or later to keep him.

You make some valid points, but, we simply have to buy quality, it actually does not cost a whole lot more if we cut down on paying for so many fringe players.

Gosling, Abied, Amafiltano, Sammy Ameobi, & Ranger are a complete waste of money in my book, There is 6 players that if we gave away for free tomorrow (If anyone would have them) would free up wages for atleast 2 top quality players.

I honestly do not think spending around the 10 million mark per player to guarantee quality is a path to ruin. (On Occasion getting a good player for a bargain 5-6million when possible)

The poster has got it badly wrong. Nolan, Guthrie, Routledge, Simpson and Carroll are the brilliant stars that Ashley has sold to line his own pockets, replacing our best with French international Debuchy, French international Cabaye, French international Ben Arfa, Ivory Coast international Tiote, Senegal internationals Cisse and Ba - such bad judgement - Ashley out!

16 Jan 2013 21:29:34
Darren Bent is close to signing at least think it's him and not Marcus Bent.

The omelette maker aka egg mans apprentice

You have much to learn from the egg man...

16 Jan 2013 20:47:22
If jeremy aliadiere signs mine and my daughters season ticket is going in the bin!

Ya i agree with you when we sold andy he was a free agent and we wouldn't take him then so why pay 3mil for him now a joke...

I reckon the fact we tried to get him and have been knocked back is about rock bottom.

My heart dropped when I read about in the news.

This is a player who did not have a club not that long ago.

And you believed this?

16 Jan 2013 20:20:17
we willl sign no one worth while, i believe our only target was debuncy ! everything else is just a smoke screen to waste time we the fans have to wake up and stand up for the club and get this waste of time out all he wants to do is make money and will never take this club forward and challenge for honours like we dream of ! how the hell can we not bid for top players it is utter crap i am grateful ashley has balanced the books but now is the time for investment which should have happened last summer but it didn't and it won't now cause he is not bothered !!

Ashley didn't balance the books, he put the club deeper into debt.

I do not know why people keep saying that.

Fact check it if you like: The club were in less debt before Ashley arrived.

16 Jan 2013 18:22:57
Hi Geordies, Everton fan here guys.
Why Remy would want to go to QPR instead of playing for you guys is insane, he has no class and you are better off without him, good luck for the season and you will start moving up the league now

Degsy

Money no other reason, great stadium to play in 18,000 sub buteo ground !

Yeh thank you mate, i think everton and newcastle fans have a good relationship! I suppose remy is another one of them money grabbers, but who wants moneygrabbers in their team? Really appreciate the comment :)

It will be his loss mate, hope they go down now, probably will with Hawwy in charge, another club for him to bankrupt. You could get him for nothing in summer lol

Degsy

You boys got a good team, very good, excellent 11 not sure about size of your squad ? We are the same, when all fit, good team but clearly not strong enough back up . Hope you break mould and gate crash top 4 . Good luck .

16 Jan 2013 18:06:19
Danny Graham sniffing about for a chance to play for NUFC. He's a fan and wouldn't play for the makems

I heard other way round ! Sfc fan ! ?

16 Jan 2013 17:27:24
I'd just like to get this off my chest.
Under Ashley, we will never win the premier league or finish top 3, simple reason being, ashley does not give enough support or commitment. I don't think its pardew whos the problem, its ashley and llambias. Tony fernandes and harry redknapp actually made efforts to meet remy and talk about their "motivating project" whereas pardew just sits back and lets llambias do all the work. If pardew actually made an effort, we'd already made another signing. Its someone like tony fernandes that we need, a mega rich billionaire, willing to support, commit and actually give a damn about the fans. What we should be doing every window is spending £30million to £50million on players, coaches etc, increasing our wage cap to £100k a week whether we're under ashley or not. Its only a matter of time until ben arfa, cabaye, cisse want pay rises. I just hope sometime in the next 2 years we get bought by some quatarian owner. Apparently last summer a buisnessmen from the kuwait family called jemal al-kazemi was "seriously considering buying newcastle" but there was never a bid made. Search it up on google, its true. I just hope there's some mega rich buisnessmen just looking at newcastle united and describing in tony fernandes' words "An unpolished diamond" and they think that they could be the man to take newcastle to the next level.
Geordie Moses

Grow up, man, it's not going to happen. Remember when Fat Freddie tried to sell up, before Ashley came along? Rumour after rumour about mega-rich Arabs, but the only (semi)serious bidder was Barry Moat, who couldn't even rustle up enough cash to buy a season ticket and a pie. We're stuck with Ashley's strategy of buy cheap, sell on.

16 Jan 2013 18:38:25
Cracks me up, just been watching tv. Saggy face did not think we would get him (remy) but chairman done and I don't know how ! Such a bullxxxxxer double money Harry !! How do you think ?

16 Jan 2013 12:45:09
Newcastle won't be making any significant signings this transfer window. They will more likely bring in a striker and or CB on loan and make use of Ameobi. The problem for newcastle isn't attracting the players this wish to sign its keeping them long enough to put pen to paper. Rednapp literally gets on a plane and travels on his own to see the players he wants to sign which is why Remy has chosen him over par dew, due to par dew having no involvement, and newcastle telling remy to come to Tyneside to speak with some poxy board member who is arrogant. We don't Get these good players when we should because the board who do the transfers don't have as much enthusiasm as the fans or Pardew for that matter. Newcastle treat signings like they are nobody's once they have put pen to paper. From A Geordie fan!

So it had nothing to do with the £40-£50k extra he was offered then?

Do you think that SAF, s comment on Wee club in the N.E. could be putting players off ?

Totally wrong, it's down to the fact that old saggy face and Mr air asia will pay remy stupid wages and agree to god knows how many clauses in his contract. I think it is plain to see remy was always chasing the money, that's not the type of player newcastle need. Good riddance i say.

You have to admit though that the comment has stuck.

And the fact that qpr are third in the table for how much money they spend on agents fee

16 Jan 2013 11:29:26
Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa would be a huge coupe for the club but as Newcastle are not exactly exciting in the transfer windows I doubt this will happen. As for talk of Gomis and Erdinc, Gomis makes lots of sense with 19 games and 11 goals but I doubt Ashley wants another 27 Frenchman on his books. Don't be surprised if we go for Sinclair to fill that wide forward position that Ba loved so much as we revert back to the 4-3-3 a position that may suite Siem de Jong. I sincerely believe that Newcastle may plunder the Dutch league rather than the French. Why has no one mentioned Bony of Vitesse?

I mentioned Bony yesterday he's awesome

16 Jan 2013 07:58:35
First Ba goes coz we didn't value him
Next We are seeing so called unsucessful attempts to buy players ( remember rooneyESK type).
Iminent accepted Bids for Krul HBA tiote santon and cabaye..
Letting colo go for zip except the -70k a week saving.
We won't attempt anything realistic next month in europe due to squad inability. So what's the point. May as well finish in bottom 6. Least we know where we stand. Ambitious fans don't make ambitious club

Basically mike ashley has succeeded. bought cheap kids got his coaching team to turn them into stars then sell em big. he doesnt care what division we play in as long as he makes an huge profit.. time for 100000 feet to walk away until he does.

Dannitoon

Agree with everything apart from the division bit. It would be bad news for Ashley if we went down again. Much more profit to made from the PL.

Anita, Cisse, Debuchy, Cabeye please tell me how you call these cheap kids.Perhaps you can make better arguments if you want to critisise.

It's posts like this that make me despair of the British education system. Don't know any facts? Well, just make 'em up. Bids for Krul, HBA, Tiote, Santon, Cabaye? Who says? Didn't 'value' Ba? We took him when nobody else would take the risk. We offered him a greatly improved contract. He chose to leave for Chelsea-sized wages. Letting Colo go for free? Who says? And who are all these cheap kids, developed into stars and then sold on for profit? Have I been asleep and missed something?

16 Jan 2013 00:45:43
No more signings for newcastle - just waiting for the ussual pardew quotes that there working hard to get deal s done utter rubbish

Its allright saying remy is going to qpr for money but we have to be able to compete no top player is going to go on the cheap, the wage caps great and the clubs stable but that's supposed to be the foundations to build on not the transfer policy for the next 100 years principles arent much use if we go down
I really don't know who we could sign that's anyway near as good as remy or what he would give us, he's good in the air has great pace and can play the other side of cisse or through the middle, de jong is a midfeilder he sometimes plays up front because he's decent in the air but he's not a striker this is amassive loss

The very best players go to top clubs for highest wages. The second-best go to QPR for wages that they can;t afford. And we have to rummage around among the third-best for bargains. That's just a fact that you'll have to get used to. Getting our hopes all built up over Remy was always shortsighted. The same applies to nearly every other name mentioned. I'll be surprised if we get either De Jong or Aubemayang or Bony. But agents will be offering us loads of potential bargain signings.