Newcastle Banter Archive July 15 2011

15 Jul 2011 22:29:06
who scored for toon vs darlo {Ed042's Note - Barton and Sammy Ameobi}

Good goal from what I hear

{Ed042's Note - Didnt see it unfortunately but supposed to be a nice finish from the edge of the box with his left}

If you're talking about Sammy's goal it was decent just been shown on SSN lashed it from edge of the box.

I would give sammy a run in the team1

15 Jul 2011 21:50:25
Not so much a rumour more an opinion we will not sign any big named players for one we won't pay wages, and we won't pay an asking price over 7 or 8 million if u look at what's happened over last few weeks that's been confirmed by the 'targets' we've failed to get. Secondly which big name player would want to come to Newcastle with no promise of European football or the likelihood of winning anything, having said that we look like were going to be a feeder team which may not be so bad if we bring the rite players in hopefully the players we have already got and the 2 that were supposedly getting turn out to be as successful as tiote, if that happens then we will be one of the better perm sides this season hopefully giving us something to build on for next season, then we'd be within our rites to cry out for these more well known players afterall it's worked to a degree at arsenal so hopefully we'l follow a similar path.

15 Jul 2011 21:45:20
Sick of hearing all these doom and gloom merchants, regarding transfers. I'm glad club doesn't want to sign these overpriced average players, lets take our time and find players who want to play for Newcastle. We need another striker, but so does every other club £15-£20 mill for Sturridge is just too much, only Liverpool would pay that for player who has very limited experience. Just face it Newcastle united no longer pay silly fees for players, been there done that and it almost bankrupt the club. Remember N'zogbia left us for a so called bigger club, our priorities should be a strker and left back. We don't need to sign any old player just because we can, (sunderland) we need to sign players who want to play for Newcastle and take the club forward.

The players we signed WILL take us forward

15 Jul 2011 20:56:28
Well Puppet Pardews latest statement just shows that we were NEVER in the hunt for Nzogbia, i reckon we will start season with Shola (again) and Ba as our main strikers. Whers all the Given 6m, Milner 12m, Nzog 6m, Nolan 4, 5m, Martins 9m, Bassong 8m, Carroll 35m, money gone? As well as Sky, Season tickets, merchandise? Tell you what mr pardew, them french lads must be on a hell of a wage to swallow all that up

Collocini 10.3
enrique 6.3
williamson und in region of 2.5
simpson und in region of 3/4
perch und
taylor r part of nzogbia deal
barton 5.8
guthrie 2.5
cabaye und in region 4
routledge und
gosling comp 4
smith 6
jonas und previous club wanted 15 comp
tiote 3.5
vuckik substantial fee und
best und
nolan 4
xisco 5.7
nearly 60 mill hardly any returns from season tickets as a lot of fans on 3 yr deals

Aye we still had to pay for them 3 years same with the new 10 year scheme, they don't give them away yanar

15 Jul 2011 19:44:34
That press conference or announcement was good at 6 glad I saw it. Seriously is it too late to cancel our season tickets

15 Jul 2011 18:27:20
What is going on pardew states Enrique offered outstanding contract and baton says what else can you do
Try finding a backbone I am sure Enrique waiting to see if we bring in any quality players before committing if not who can blame him for sodding off need to show some ambition
And spine

15 Jul 2011 16:02:47
howay man lads keep ya chins up still plenty time left till window closes....just heard ...NEWCASTLE UNITED have today put a bid in for messi...billy messi plays for byker bottom club...speedy little forward....(trying to lighten the mood here ) i still think we'll get a few more players in before season starts....but not the players the fans expect...might be surprised ( i can dream cant i ) ....anythoghts on who we should go for ...you heard owt ed ?

{Ed042's Note - Nothing today as the focus is on the match tonight, think it will be used to really look at where the team needs to strengthen, anyone that doesnt perform well against Darlington (no offense to them, we`re just a bigger club) will show that we may need reinforcements in that area, as far as striking targets go, Shane Long seems like the most feasible deal right now, with maybe some negotiations going on for Bendtner, targets are said to be in European clubs outside England though which would suggest the likes of Moussa Sow or Salomon Rondon, and maybe still negotiations with Erdinc, but as we have seen with all the paper talk there has been, the actual signings we made were never reported in English media, and barely in the foreign press, Marveaux unreported, Cabaye was only on Canal+ when he himself confirmed he wanted to sign for us, Demba Ba was but only very close to the day he signed and because there was an awful lot of focus on who would get him with a lot of English interest, so on that basis its really anyones guess who it will be, personally would be happy with Bendtner or Long and then one if not two of the Banguras}

Would personally love to see Rondon and Sow... Maybe even a cheeky bid for Vela and would also love to see Giovani Dos Santos from Spurs. However Ashley needs to loosen the purse strings and it's only early in the market. Another option we could look at is pushing through the likes of Abeid Vuckic and Airey who could show potential. I don't think we should sell Ranger either because I think once he gets a goal he could get the confidence to fire on all cylinders maybe just send him on a 6 month loan deal to a championship side.

{Ed042's Note - Agree with going for Gio, think he would be a great signing for 6 or 7 million, and would definitely bring Vuckic and Airey through, think Abeid will be part of the first team squad this season, has gotten glowing references from the staff since being there and has been rewarded with being brought to America}

Maybe even Clynne to cover Simpson and a new left back incase Enrique decides to do a runner.

Couple of free agents may just help squad depth e.g. Upson, Reo-Coker and possibly even Carew (although I hate to admit it)

{Ed042's Note - Think we could get Clyne, good young prospect, definitely need a left back for Jose, chap was a hero until his antics of late, think he needs to go at this stage, think instead of Arsenal approaching us we should go to them, ask for Armand Traore and Bendtner, ideally straight swap, but realistically would have to offer a few million with Jose, as for the few frees, dangerous game to play on the basis we could end up with three Smiths on our hands come next season, none of them three would be on small wages, but the right free transfer or swap deal for someone we plan to sell, why not?!}

Totally agree with the Traore and Bendtner idea, Traore now has experience after being at Juventus for the season and Bendtner could be lethal if he has the run in a time a top forward needs. I know the free business is risky that's why I would prefer Gio but doubt Ashley will pay out 12m which is being banded about. If we delve into the loan market I'd like us to go for Sturridge (loan to buy) and maybe Welbeck for a season

{Ed042's Note - True, 12 mil is paper talk though, if he wants to go and the club want to sell price comes down, look at Jose as prime example, 8 mil latest valuation for a player that was valued at 12 just over a month ago, sturridge and wellbeck would be two great loan deals, but could see them at the same clubs they were at last season if they do go out on loan}

Agreed Ed it would be nice to see something positive happen as it seems to be all doom and gloom at the minute. I think we have a strong chance of getting Sturridge and I'd love to see him here as long as it doesn't involve Tiote going in the other direction and Welbeck would be decent however I don't think we'll even offer if he becomes available

{Ed042's Note - Ah definitely, Tiote is the main man, cant let him go, and fair play he seems set on being with us this season and giving it his all, Wellbeck I think is available based on what Ferguson said today about Utd having a major goal threat this season, mentioned Hernandez, Rooney, Berbatov, Owen, Macheda and Diouf, but no mention of Wellbeck, think he is in the process of going to be honest, and as much as its not nice to hear, would be almost sure its back to the mackems}

No harm in trying to steal in under the noses of the mackems as unlikely as it seems but we have to try and keep the faith

Nearly forgot iam off to turkey on tuesday ..think i'll go over see mevlut erding at his auld mans villa and have a chat see if i can talk him into signing ..on a serious note on sky sports their saying the carlton cole move to stoke is off (oh no) that mean he's coming to us..whats your take on that one ed ?

{Ed042's Note - Hard to know what the truth is regarding this one, the media are the media, if they dont have a story theyll make one up, but taking what each side has said about it, Stoke said that it broke down due to wage demands and Pulis making a remark about Coles injury problems, West Ham have said that this is ridiculous as he played over 40 games in the last year, but also said that it wasnt wage demand related as in he wanted too much, more so Cole making a point about wanting wage parity with certain players in the Stoke squad, which depending on who it was he either had a point or didnt, but I think whatever the case Pulis and Cole didnt hit it off and the deal may be dead, as far as him coming to us, there is no factual information or enquiries to back it up, only thing to suggest it is that he once played under Pardew, if we were to go for him, it would be as a back up player, and personally think we could do better, plus I dont think Cole would want to come to someone not giving him first team football at this point in his career, would be as well off staying at West Ham and having a good season in the Championship, regaining some goalscoring confidence, so really cant see this one being true to be honest}

Cheers ed m8 i know one thing taking me lappy with is on tuesday talk about soap operas lmao...i'll bring you a stick of rock back not red and white stripes though .. {Ed042's Note - Haha cheers lad, enjoy}

15 Jul 2011 16:41:19
no gervino gameiro or french forwards coming. the toon is in player meltdown they are going to replace the angel of the north with a guillotine as there is about to be a french revolution the promises have been broken cabaye ba and the other french lads were told that these forwards were on there way to the toon false promises from ashley and pardew heads will roll expect a players revolt if no big signings on way

15 Jul 2011 13:59:21
from what im hearin we all been taken for muggs We aint gonna sign any1 else signficant 35m has gone ?sumwhere? Forget sturridge inless its involving tiote and theres no announcement hav heard something about something involvin some charity not really nufc related so puppet pardew talking s**t and we potentially gonna end up with a mo waffer sqaud than last yr. Bad times at nufc (WelshToon)

15 Jul 2011 13:33:33
Ashley claims we have spent all of the 35mil on these new players, last I heard they were free, clearly he has calculated this by toting up all of their wages over the next 5 years, but with this, we've received season ticket money, and the 40+mil from TV rights, I may be wrong, but last time I checked that 40+mil will more then cover their wages over their contracts, show your true colours and man up Ashley, you've just made 200million profit and I'm sure you could spare a little of that on your "other business" or if not, sell to someone who will

I seen it coming all along we can all dream on that ashley will ever spend money but he always shows his true colours. we will neva progress as a club until ashley is gone

Wheres ya money gone. sgb

Tbh were still good enough to beat sunderland with the players weve got were just adding players to beat the many other bigger teams in the league

Hahahaha, LMFAO, still good enough to beat S/land, ya team is weaker than last season, and please dont bleat on about, Cabaye and marveaux, cause no one knows what they will be like, only seen on you tube, you lost ya 2 top scorers, Nolan and Carrol, so where's the goals coming from certainly not BA, he'll only last a couple of month and be injured, and there is no money to spend, so you will not be getting any big signings, What we signed are all experienced EPL players apart from 2 Wickham is rated highly by most people in football, and Don Won, if he does good will raise the profile of S/land in his home country, which will increase the shirt sales making more money for the North Easts TOP TEAM, so you SGB find a rock and crawl under it, hope you are not one of them that ashley mugged into buying ya season ticket for the next few years.

Haha just cause Mackems can't afford Skysports and ESPN so they can't watch Ligue 1 football hence the reason they all say we've only seen Cabaye and Marveaux on Youtube haha

Laugh while u can SGB

Been laughing since the 5-1 mate

15 Jul 2011 13:11:29
To all the people talking about the big announcement.... I can tell you that the press confrence should be at 6pm this evening and has nothing to do with a takeover or a player..... It is also not directly involving NUFC.. However it will involve something charity related that will be iconic and will please NUFC fans.... GeordieD

15 Jul 2011 12:10:58
Well it looks like Taylor has used us to get a better contract at Swansea. Or would we not stretch to 2m? Swans wanted 6m so rumours say, so why not tell them Routledge is 5m? As for big signings, i wont hold my breath, Puppet Pardew says Bid in for a striker, ive searched the market at all the 1m to 3m strikers on offer to try and find out who it is. Ashley, Lambias, Pardew, PLEASE get out of OUR club

15 Jul 2011 10:32:56
In the midst of all this where has the £35m gone I have tried to have a look at the figures, they a rough to say the least.

Players out - Tran Fee - Annual Wages

Carroll - 35m - 3m
Nolan - 4m - 3m
Campbell 0 - 3m

Total Cash £48

Players in - Tran Fee - Sign Fees - Annual Wages

Cabaye - 4.5m - 2m - 2m
Ba - 0 - 5m - 3m
Marveaux - 0 - 2 - 1.5m
Abeid - 0 - 1m - 0.5m
"New Striker" - 8m - 2m - 3m

Total outlay £34.5m

Spare Cash £13.5m

New Contracts - Sign Fee - Additional Annual Wages

Tiote - 1m - 2m
Enrique - 2m - 3m

Total Outlay £8m

Spare Cash £5.5m which they claim to have spent on the training ground etc.

I'm not saying these figures are correct but a rough guide.

It's safe to say we will now need to sell before we buy....

ToonBarmy

TV rights, ticket sales, merchandise, sponsorship deals....

I'd imagine there's plenty of money to be spent. Whether or not Cashley will let that money be spent is an entirely different matter.

Try doing this with liverpool/sunderland transfers.im sorry i dont believe for one second we have to sell to buy.proof of that is the fact we are still bidding for players erdinc zog etc. the fact is we wont be getting any of our first choice targets because MA is a fat lying bar steward, our next striker target will be our 4th choice.
in january we bid 12m for nzogbia obviously a top target so why not worth 10m now, reason greed of MA not nzogbia.
villa sold young/downing go straight to wigan with a bid of 10m for nzogbia knowing its alot for a player with only a year left, but they ll probably get there number 1 target.they only recieved about the same money as what nufc got for carroll.
we have a massive income compared to sunderland via crowd size and ticket prices, yet safc can spend money on transfer fees, wages and sign on fees they also sold players with a similar valuation to that of carrolls.
erdinc and n taylor deals have added to MA portfolio of cock ups which include making fools of nufc heroes keegan and shearer, sacking hughton, bringing in wise, relegation and loads of broken promises.
dont forget we finished 5/6 points above the relegation zone last year, yeah that sounds comfortable but if you take into consideration we got 13 points off the relegated sides, and the fact weve lost nolan and possibly barton, when either of these two didn t play fact nufc did nt win, combine the fact we won only 3 games since the sale of carroll must give the most optimistic fans cause for concern.
anyway at least his pal and our manager can have a good excuse for failure this season when we sign our 10th choice no.9 probably on a free......del

You forgot to put on 1m a year on greggs pasties and 4.5m a year on casino chips

Last season alone was rumoured to be worth 90 million to the clubs that came up which we were included in that so after paying all bills and taking into account wages we should be left with around 30 to 40 million that should be at least in part re-invested but not looking likely 35 for carroll just about gone and can understand it covers few years of players wages and fees but where is any other investment needed to push any business on to the next level?

Ashley said he would re-invest the £35m, not give us anymore. "The new striker" is included in the figures, what I am saying is that after the "New Striker" I don't expect any anymore mew players unless we sell. When he said he wouldn't take any of the £35m out of the club he told the truth, what he didnt say was that he was going to take a sht load of the other earnings out instead.

ToonBarmy

It really doesnt matter how many equations you try to work out to see haow much money you got to spend, the truth is there is none to spend, you heard ya owner and his parrot say the 35 mil has gone on wages for your new signings. You need to sell, that is why tiote will leave before the window closes, never mind you have alan smith for another 2 years, FTM

Probably dont SAFC will come in for smith You lot like ex man utd players who have done nothing dont you?

15 Jul 2011 09:12:30
just dont know what to make of whats going on at the toon...ok we are are on a sound footing in the money department...but as a football club i think we need to progress as a team ...to take the players up a couple of levels with some (decent) signings..but dont want to go back to the days of crap players for big money...i know this window slams shut end of august...but surely Mr Ashley and co. must realise we need a few more players on board before it closes...dont think we need N'Zogbia but a couple of forwards, a small nippy forward like peter beardsley..and a bigger type forward as cover...a new left back ...any way just wondering what people think ...htl...

15 Jul 2011 00:10:24
Ed why the hell or newcastle trying not to spend because they will not get anywhere without spending money :S

{Ed042's Note - Only Norwich and Sunderland have made more signings than Newcastle so far, and there is still a month left before the start of the season, obviously fans want to see the 35 mil spent but I actually think we have done some good business so far, and we have a definite bid in for a striker at the moment with three other forward targets if it doesnt come off, think tomorrows friendly will also be a good indicator to the staff as to where exactly needs to be strengthened apart from up front, very hard to know from a weeks fitness training, honestly think fans are jumping the gun a bit and getting unduly worried, if we are in the same position in two to three weeks then there is cause for concern but have faith, genuinely think we will make two to four more signings before the season starts, but we are being smart about it for once, why spend 15 million on a player just for the sake of saying we have spent money?}

Because your deluded fans think spending 15mill will make them a good team, it is not gonna happen.

Niether will spending 28 million on has beens or never have beens

Just typical geordie jealousy, wishing you can spend some money. I ask a question where has your money gone??

Im a geordie and i know the money all in fat lads pocket but that not gonna stop me following and supporting my team but wont be buying new shirts etc to line the mans pocket and watch himtake more out of the club Dont support mike ashley, i support NUFC