Newcastle Banter Archive August 12 2011

12 Aug 2011 22:51:34
Now the dust is begining to settle lets see if somehow i can make sense of it all....where to start ;) I was a disapointed as anyone to see Nolan go, despite the fact that if Im honest I didnt really rate him as highly as others might of, his leadership was as we all know priceless, but taking a step back and looking at the outgoings; Nolan, Campbell, Kuqi, Enrique, Xisco, Routledge in comparison to the newcomers; Cababye, Obertan, Marveaux, Ba, Abeid (so far) Im of the opinion, as much as it may well infuriate some readers that were stronger now than we were at the end of the season, with the exception of LB. Why? Well obviously the general ethos is one in, one out so on that basis; Cabaye for Nolan, cabaye is miles better technically, passing is second to none, engine again far superior and not to mention we will get atleast 3 more out of him than Nolan. Obertan for Routledge, need I go into this one? thought not. Marveaux, Ba, Abeid for Campbell, Kuqi, Xisco again I dont think anyone would choose the two pensioners and the Xisco flop over the 3 weve got. Admittedly the timing of Jose's departure is quite frankly diabolical, to go into a new campaign without a recognised left back is just utter stupidity end of, surely we could postponed the deal until Monday, his contract expires July 2012 not August 13th 2011, but provided we replace him adequately, which I believe we will as not even Ashley is THAT footballing ignorant, then the squad isnt weakened surely is it? Please dont think im defending any of it though, like Ive already said the timing is just pathetic So overall are we as a squad really weaker? I think the opposite, we have better quality players albeit the same quantity so still a bit light on numbers but i fully expect Vuckic, Ameobi jnr, Ferguson etc to be featuring more often in the first team this term. Are we also forgetting HBA and Gosling will be available this year? The point Im getting at is think of the team at the end of last season, compare it to now, add another left back and a striker which we will sign and are we weaker? Or am I just trying to much to look on the bright side? HWTL :) pd

Well when ya put it like that probs av to agree mainly

Didn?Ǭ¥t you forget about Barton? We did not win a game without him last season and now he is gone. We have no replacement and we will not get anyone. As you say having no LD is just pathetic, I can?Ǭ¥t see any professional club being this stupid as Newcastle has been when it comes to selling Joey just before the first game without having anyone to cover for him. It is just so sad to see. Another big problem is that we only have one goal scorer and that is injury prone Ba. We had a stronger squad at the beginning of the last season then now and then we came from the Championship. I love my Newcastle but I am really worried that we will be in the relegation zone if we don?Ǭ¥t get in a good LD and a stron replacement for Barton as well as a well proven goal scorer (Not Bendtner because he is pure crap). I also believe that we need another all round defender and yet another striker. I know we won?Ǭ¥t get these 5 players that we need and that is why I am very worried. People who are not worries just don?Ǭ¥t see the full picture of our squad strength, team morale and competition. If we end up 17th or better we should be happy as long as we got AM and AP running the show.

So where has joey went

Joey barton does not make Newcastle United. Undeniably he's a very good player, but one for the future he is not, and i think we've got it spot on transfer wise. It's just a crying shame that our antics are being smeared across the pages making the situation look far worse than it is, making possible transfers think twice about us..

Barton, as far as I can see, is still a newcastle player, either that or we are fielding an unregistered player today...........As i said, is the squad any weaker? We need a left back correct, which we will replace and we need a striker, get them two in and IN MY OPINION the squad is stronger and more techically gifted than last season :) pd

12 Aug 2011 20:19:52
Hey mackem here in peace. Sorry to hear about Enrique, I never saw much of him to be honest but a few of my Geordie friends said he was quality. Both of our clubs are now selling clubs let's be honest. We simply can't compete with the now top 6 or 7 clubs.

Anyway just wanted to say I believe 100% that you will beat Arsenal tomorrow. Just a gut reaction. In tough times people usually bond stronger.

Haha i hope so bud, i think Liverpool will have a hard game against yous tomorrow so much so that i took Carroll out of my fantasy football cos i dont think they will score many

Of course Enrique is quality we dont need the top 7 no more, we've got each other to keep company. Geordies vs Makems - greatest rivalry to be part of

Petition to have three derby games a season anyone?

How about we meet in the FA cup final? Lol

Yes as long as sunderland win it and you suffer another final defeat.lol

12 Aug 2011 19:55:14
Okay- so quite a divide on here. Ashley running the club properly, and Ashley a tight wad ruining the Club on the other.
Tomorrow is the first game of the season and I cannot wait Love the Prem being back.
But what has annoyed the hell out of me is this:
Everybody knew we were going to lose Jose Enrique Done well for the Club and did not desert us when we were relegated. Hugely improved. SO once again why was there no plan in place to bring a LB in? 1 day to go and no 1st choice LB. We should of been making moves weeks ago and brought someone in to settle down with the squad and get adjusted. Same with a striker. We should of went out and got one in- weeks ago for the same reasons. We actually need two strikers to be honest But with 1 day to go and no LB is a total joke Psycho

12 Aug 2011 18:41:53
{Ed042's Note} Defenders Linked

Annan moving to Vitesse... Pieters not being chased up until next week but still a possibility... Ryan Bertrand available on loan only, no shown interest... Van Aanholt being kept as back up to Cole... Managala has a lot of interest, including Newcastle, Porto only club said to have bid... rumoured renewed interest in MBengue but doubtful he will move this season, would have to be a very attractive offer... David Santon has interest from us but a host of other Italian clubs, most Italian players stay in Italy so little or no chance... Boilesen wants to stay in Holland and prove himself... Bridge attracting interest from Lyon and Marseille as well as us, emergency go to signing but coould lose out because of wages... Warnock is a loan possibility as Villa want to lower wage bill but Pardew wants permanent signing, another emergency go to I think

So out of all the defenders linked you can see whats realistic...

IMO Two to three targets Pardew has talked about are Pieters, Santon and MBengue but will take some doing to seal two of the three, hence Pieters being main target... Has a release clause and does not want to discuss football right now because of family death which is understandable, think Newcastle wanted him in for this Saturday, cant be done so are hoping by giving him space he will respect that and want the move... just up to us to agree terms with PSV.

Think if we lose out on those three it will be emergency go to time, which will be Warnock or Bridge... would also say Bertrand but have a feeling theres a good reason behind why we havnt gone for Chelsea players... think they dont want to do us any favours and we wont get a cut price deal because we refused to entertain any approach for Tiote, why else wouldnt we go for promising young players which one of the two will be potentially surplus to requirements

12 Aug 2011 17:13:30
Anyone heard if were after a centre half because if Taylor and Williamson get injured or ones injured and ones suspended were left with colo on his own and with there records it's a strong possibility

Tamas Kadar?

12 Aug 2011 16:37:52
stoke more likely to get bendtner than us ed is there any truth on this

{Ed042's Note - Both clubs are interested, Stoke no more likely than us to get him though, combination of other FW targets being mentioned with nufc and crouch deal hitting a snag for Stoke have altered the skybet, but its chinese whispers and paper talk right now, they have a good chance, but so do we, as do hamburg}

12 Aug 2011 15:45:02
of course players leave for more money if someone offered you the exact same job yuou do now for lots more money you would take it fact end ov

Agreed but the point is he says it was for footballing reasons, although why I think players should be honest these days I dont know.
Do you really think if LFC offered him 40k a week he would have gone as he thinks tehyt have more chance of winning trophies, of course he wouldn't.

Lads we seriously need a back also.NEDUM ONOUHA has to be looked at

I've been saying for weeks we should Onouha, he would challenge Simpson, cover across the back four and even do a holding job in midfield. The lad is very talented.
We should make it a triple swoop on Man City and take Bridge and Adam Johnson as none of these will get much game time. I'm getting so desperate I'd even take Bellamy back.

Onouha would not go to newcastle after being at sunderland last year

In the same way that Lee Clark, Titus Bramble, Michael Chopra wouldn't. What a stupid comment.

Lee Clark showed his true geordie instinct in the end being a prat, Bramble there has been alot of years between playing for newcastle and getting called shambles and signing for sunderland, he was at wigan before that, Chopra was at Cardiff, Barnsley on loan before us. Onouha will go on loan to a bigger club maybe come back to sunderland for another season

12 Aug 2011 15:49:57
Why does everyone thinks we Will Miss enrique. H?® runs like ?† chicken without ?† head. H?® is rubbish. I'm glad h?® is gone. He is ?† good defender. But very poor in THE attack.

Have you ever seen him play before?

He's a DEFENDER

Yes and think wayne bridge is a better player all together

Proved his quality. Stop being an Ass just because he has left. He will not be the last.

Very bitter geordies, now you calling that dutch lad left back crap coz he don't want to come

Who is this clown writing this, name a better left back last season in the prem lge please.................................sort ya head out,only one that might get a mention is evra.

Will you Mackems just f*** off it's one person who said it so that's Geordie not Geordies you muppet and Pieters is still likely to sign but people were saying that they don't rate him the other day.

And alot were saying they do, works both ways, get a grip you foolish human being, bet if he signs your fans start saying he is miles better than enrique. You know it is true

12 Aug 2011 14:36:56
Steve Harper has been given the number 1 shirt in the squad list does that mean he will be our number 1 or what?

12 Aug 2011 13:30:16
Arsenal tomorrow without a left back great, is this part of the masterplan Ashley lovers

12 Aug 2011 13:12:09
kind of does my head in the amount of moaning that goes on, i can see why it happens with tight ashley not putting the money back in the club that he has made from his sales. but big name players arent wanting to come to a club that constantly moans about how the club is run, not just from the fans but from some of the players to. if we all stopped moaning and backed the club and the players more, other players would see how loyal we were and want to join. before we start slating the club i think we should give it a chance at the 1st few games of the season before the transfer window closes. at least we arent like the mackems who have bought in 10 average players. thats like nearly a whole new team that they can put out, i bet they cant play together, same as liverpool. give the club a chance and be the loyal supporters that we are well known for in the toon.

I have to disagree, our entire midfield is going to be new aside from Jonas.... AND we don't have any proven (or good) strikers AND we don't have a LB and the season starts tomorrow...............

People keep going on about how much ashley has raked in and kept. what about how much he had to spend to pay off the massive debts we had or have we all forgot about that

He should never of bought the club then simple as, everyone knows when you own any business your responsible for the finances and don't beleive the bs that he didn't know what he was walking into he's one of the top businessmen in the country, he has the verry best financial advisors and lawmen around, this excuse is boring now

If we play Barton Jonas and Tiote then thats 3 out of 4 from last seaon so how does that make a complete new midfield so Nolan has gone but Id have swapped him for Cabaye or Obertans, from the second half of last season we have gained a striker in Denba Ba (remember we had Loven.. Ameobe Best and Ranger to pick from, so the only change from second half of season that is desperate is Enrique leaving

12 Aug 2011 12:16:12
With the news that Ben Arfa is going to be out for 5/6 weeks (+ weeks to get back to match fitness) and also the uncertainty over Barton's future I think we might actually need another MIDFIELDER

Not just any midfielder, but a goalscoring midfielder as I think thats what we are lacking in the central areas.

Sunderland almost signed this guy and when I heard that it had fallen through I have got to say I was relieved. He gets a lot of stick (from his own fans) but I think he is good.

Home-grown, young and scores some peaches, yes Darron Gibson. At £4m I think he would be a great addition and if you are playing a 4-5-1 you need someone in midfield who can hit the back of the net.

Geo

NO just NO

Oh darren gibsons a good player now is he? funny isnt it

Reasons please?

Geo

He means because when the mackems were linked to him we were slating him on this website...i'm not a fan of gibson to be honest BUT i'd say we could probably do with someone to bolster the squad

Harris vuckic is twice the player, if he stays fit this will be his breakthrough season and he's the reason why we havnt signed any back up to hba

The same Gibson who you said was crap and will do nothing and can't get into the man utd squad. hypocrites, also gibson wouldn't sign for you as he is wanting £60,000 a week thats why he hasn't signed for sunderland

He is rubbish and will not be welcome at our club there's a reason he is hated by Man Utd fans. Sunderland dodged a bullet.

12 Aug 2011 11:13:15
My early optimism in the transfer market is disappearing fast.

By my reckoning outs

Carroll 35m
Campbell free (released some wages)
Kuqi (released some wages)
Nolan 4m (miss his goals but to slow)
Routledge 2m ( runs around and does nothing)
Enrique 6m (doesn't want to be at club and releases wages)
Xisco (released)
Airey (Loan)
Taverner (loan)
Barton (looks like on his way, will release wages)

47m

Ins

Ba FREE (Wages probably similar to Campbell).
Cabaye 4.3m (great replacement for Nolan, better all round player, probably on less wages)
Obertan 3.0m (he will be better than Routledge, younger, point to prove and on similar wages)
Marveaux FREE (similar wage to xisco)
Abeid FREE (similar wage to Kuqi)

7.3m spent

So still approx £40 million plus Barton and Enrique wages

Surely we could spend 20 -25m on two decent strikers i.e Defoe and Bendtner a replacement full back and maybe someone like Joe Cole alledgely available for 4m and surely he wants first team football and will drop his wages and a ponit to prove.

What about signing on fee's, agent fee's? carroll was sold last jan, can't expect there being 35m to spend 7months later, probably been used on other players wages. More factors come into play than just saying right we sold a player for 35m, right we have 35m to spend. I bet liverpool are paying that in installments. Said it before ashley is a business man, he will sort out the clubs finances to steady the ship so to speak.

Joe Cole, good suggestion because he's not going to get a game at LFC and is out to prove himself again. But I don't see any top strikers signing for us regardless of the money we can put up. We haven't shown any intent in the market and we've ended up with a mediocre and lacklustre squad devoid of inspiration. The players feel it too.

Joe cole would not get 1st team football at toon

12 Aug 2011 10:08:29
No Fabregas and Nasri tomorrow, i honestly think we'll do them over, left back or no left back.
we can beat them.

There reserve team could beat you's no problem.

Total Gerodie dreamer. There is no chance in hell you will be able to do them over. Especially since none of your players want to play for you

Arsenals first team couldn't beat US last season and that was with a four goal start, plus we beat them on there stomping ground....2-0 to the Toon

12 Aug 2011 10:08:24
I have posted before how I think MA is doing the right thing with contracts and making the club financially sound. I also applaud the way AP is trying to make us a better footballing side and I am sick of fans blaming him for business decisions made by the board.
All that said I have a sick feeling about tomorrow, I cannot beleive that the club could not have supported teh wages of both Jose and a new left back for a week or so to ensure we had adequate cover for the start of the season, Arsenal have loads of injuries yet I fear whether it is Feruson/Perch/Jonas at left back that Gervinho and Walcott will tear them to shreds.
I do not think Pieters is the answer either, he looks like a poor player to me on youtube when usually it makes players look better than what they are. If the release clause is £7m it wont happen anyway. Hate to say it but I'd rather see Bridge come in.
ChesterfieldMag

Walcott is out for a month mate but gervinho could be the key man for arsenal tomorrow

{Ed022's Note - Walcott is in the squad along with RVP who will face a late fitness test.}

ED22 are you an gooner? seem to know alot about them and argue ther point a fair bit

12 Aug 2011 06:46:47
I am hearing wispers that we wont sign a striker after all. Will we have any offence at all this coming season. What are your thoughts Ed? It also seems as HBA carrier got destroyed by De Jong.

12 Aug 2011 09:23:51
Does anyone else think that Tuncay on a season long loan is a good signing for Bolton?

I think we could have done worse than sign him. He is only 29 and a proven goalscorer in the prem.

Also, there is a lot of talk about a loan deal for Macheda. I personally hope this is not the case. was at Sampdoria last season and they got relegated.

Geo

His goal record is worse than sholas, bests and lovenkrands so no that would just be the most pointless loan ever

Actually, I have just checked and your right his goal record wasn't that good.

Although 80 caps 22 goals for Turkey is still not bad and he was a sub striker for Stoke so couldn't really prove himself.

I am maybe a wee bit off with my analogy though.

Geo

Sunderland knocked macheda back but might be ok for you lot

Crouch has an awesome international record, he can't do it in the premier league tho

12 Aug 2011 08:53:17
I am starting to wonder if anyone on this website actually knows anything about football or if they base there knowledge on football management games?

In the real world football has now become a business, Ashley is a business man and he runs it like a business. I would assume that the ambition this year would be to finish in the top ten, as that would allow us to build and strengthen the team and then start aiming for Europe places.

Now as I am sure educated fans of football will know that FIFA are to start phasing in caps for teams spending beyond their means, starting in 2012 up until 2020 when they suggest the transition will be complete. This could potentially mean that clubs who don’t manage there finances could be excluded from entering European competitions. So I put it to the Ashley haters, how would you run this club in a sustainable way considering Ashley has more or less cleared our debt?

Completely agree. There are to many fans out there that are very good at coming up with who we should be signing (usually players who cost a fortune in fee and wages). This would be ok if we were in the Champions League every year, as the extra revenue would help to pay for this. Well, unless these fans hadn't noticed we are not in Europe, and it was this same policy that has left us in the position we are currently in.
Sure Ashley made a massive mistake when buying the club, and was unaware how badly in debt we were/are, and I'm sure he bought the club with the intention of spending on players. However he has had to plow money into the club just to keep it going. This combined with listening to bad advice has meant that mistakes were made. We are in a posyion now that means we are stuck with one another (Ashley/The Club/Fans), and we should be singing from the same hymn sheet with regards to the policy of getting us back to be a big side again. However there are just too many fans who can't see the woods for the trees, and think we should be spending, spending, spending......the fact is we can't.

Come on Ashley haters I am still waiting for you to answer the question?

You lot will be ok then

Sorry m8 i dont play football manager games i live in the real world

Ma hater or not, man utd are about 500 - 600 mil in debt regardless of how much they bring in. And abramovich spends his fortune as the club would be bank rolled if he left. do you honestly believe the fa/ fifa would say those two club cant get into europe? get real

12 Aug 2011 00:50:56
They say u tube makes players look good I just looked this pieters lad up on there and if that's him at his best were in trouble, looks big n clumsy nearly all the clips are of him
Either giving the ball away or committing a foul, looks the complete opposite to Jose built like a centre back and looking at these vids he'd really struggle with the fast pace of the prem

If so y would his manager want to keep him

Are you joking havnt you seen the video when he takes it past figo no centre back could do that

Right I'm sitting here very patient like I have been since january, its now 1 f*****g day till the new season starts and we don't have a left back to replace jose neither do we have a striker to replace carroll with 41 million sitting in the fat controllers pocket Do we just sit here and accept this bull s**t?

One good clip outta 5 bad ones yeah that's a reason to want him

11 Aug 2011 23:52:30
just a thought im pleased nufc dont own st james park cos the fatman would have sold it by now.

Hmm, i thought nufc does own the stadium? anyone confirm.

It is owned by the council, but NUFC have a very long lease 100 years + i think.

Thought SJP was owned by the free masons correct me if iam wrong