06 Aug 2014 22:06:12
Multiple sources reporting that Newcastle have agreed a fee for Lacazette of around £15 million in a deal which may or may not include Ben Arfa going the other way. Not sure what Lacazette thinks of a move with some saying he wants CL while others say he'd be up for a move.
Fingers crossed it's true.
Hey Glasgow, I have been hearing similar reports, either with Ben arfa going or not, he will still be a great signing for the toon. Let's just hope this deal does not fall through. But I wouldn't understand why they wouldn't include Ben arfa because he isn't going to get played because of recent activity that have been happening. Also he has been saying that he wants to go back to France, so why would he not be in the deal?
06 Aug 2014 22:48:51
It would be a good signing but I think 15m plus Ben arfa may be a little steep. 10m max plus Ben arfa but I think if we do get him it will be less than that like 7 plus arfa
I should clarify the reports say the fee could rise to £15 million so it could be £10 million now plus Ben Arfa rather than £15 million now.
As for why it may or may not include Ben Arfa I guess it could be the case that he would be used in a deal or the club may want to sell him in a seperate deal or they may not have given up on him and are punishing him to make a point since it's well known that he can have serious attitude problems.
I reckon it will be a loan move for HBA with us paying half his wages.
Real shame as I think he is a superb talent and a proper manager like Martinez would have got the best out of him and seen him worth £20m +. yet another that has been Pardew'd.
Lacazette does not want to sign for NUFC a bit like Remy If they don't want to play for Newcastle then move on
3 weeks to plug the gaps we have CB Striker Playmaket
We may all be surprised but there again
with Ashley probably not
07 Aug 2014 14:42:12
We don't need a playmaker, you want one, wee don't need a striker, we have bought 2 in already. It's ridiculous Ashley has spent money but you still complain it's ridiculous, obviously he hasn't been great in the past but this time he spends money and still yhe negative comments. The guy can't win.
Another player who has little interest in playing for us, we're his last option if Lyon told him they needed him to leave he'd probably wait for other clubs to come in for him and only sign for us if no other deal is in the pipeline.
Kling you are wrong, we DO need a play maker we do not have a central midfield player who can pass the ball accurately or consistently.
Kling Rubbish Ashley has spent almost what has come in from transfers NO MORE and sits on almost 70m from last season We do not need a CB or Striker or Play Maker we are DESPERATE for them and if you open your eyes in the next 4 weeks you will see why!
We don't need a playmaker as Cabaye was often used in the number ten role where he played some of his best games for us last season. De Jong and Cabella can both play there. Just because they don't make big 40 yard + passes doesn't mean they're not playmakers.
07 Aug 2014 20:17:51
Glasgowtoon speaks sense, we don't need a playmaker we have cabella and de jong who were both creative players in there own teams and now we have both of them we don't have to have players playing the long balls across the pitch to be creative.our attacking play has improved over the summer, your requests are ridiculous the only improvement really not made is at cb. But if one isn't signed it won't be the end of the world we have got a good squad set up 7 new faces and they all look like they are improving the team.
I reckon spiretoon is Greniers agent in disguise!
I agree with most of the comments above. I think we have done great business for attack and midfield.
I'm not sure if any of you lads are accountants or tax experts but I guarantee you Ashley has not put 70m in his back pocket. As the club still owes him 130m, if we want him to sell up then, quite rightly, he will collect his loan before putting the club up for sale.
I'm not an Ashley advocate but I am a fair and reasonable bloke.
Desree Simple question and recent one
Where did the 60m TV money from last season along with sponsorship money from W. er sponsorship
There is no mention of it and it will not be seen in the accounts ended June.
Ashley has spent approx 30m which is roughly what we have had in in transfers out. Also approx 60/65m since his tenure which is again which has been brought in from transfers.
People are getting sentimental because he has spent money on players coming and that is more positive than it was in the past apart when we bought 5 players in the January window to avoid relegation.
So he should strengthen the team just like other owners. He is in Newcastle to make money and he will.
We are short of 2 defenders a quality striker and play maker if they come great if not we will remain mid table.
08 Aug 2014 11:04:03
Art the problem with what you are saying is that, you are saying we need these. 4 players the same when the window opened . So apparently none of the signings we have made are suitable in your eyes.
None of them replace Cabaye to play alongside Tiote and don't even bother suggesting that Colback does.
Janmaat replaces Debuchy and is probablybetter IMO but where is the replacement for our other 3 defendeers that leaked nd lots of goals for the last 2 seasons?
08 Aug 2014 12:17:28
I am so sick of people saying about Ashley and not spending the cash. And these quotes of the £60m for TV, it gets so boring. Same as saying we have made the made all the money we have spent through transfers. What people forget, if we sell two players for £30m, but then get in 5/6 new players, even if it is just for the £30m we spent, we still have to pay 5/6 players wages instead of 2. Now if you add those up, that is quite a few million a year for all those players.
Also, I think people forget Ashley said it will be a 4/5 year journey. He is trying to get the club stable financially and able to be self sufficient, because that's what we need, unless any of you guys are a billionaire who want to take over? He is getting a fantastic foundation, he is pumping money into the youth system (unlike the great Messiah Keegan, who nearly destroyed our youth system).
Now do not get me wrong, I have sworn, I have shouted and vented my anger at Ashley, he has made some questionable and truly spiteful decisions. But I think he is getting this club in the right direction.
Just because we have had 4 good seasons in the last 22 does not mean we are one of the top 5 teams in England. Yes we have great support but I think our supporters need to wake up and stop living in the Keegan and Robson days!
08 Aug 2014 12:22:13
Art - what has Mike Ashley done with the 60m from TV Rights you ask? You do realise that he has to pay the players don't you? The wage bill for 2012 was £64m!
Axltoon do you do realise that from gate money and ordinary every year TV money these expenses are covered.
Julio gerodio
Rubbish Why can other clubs like Everton almost bankrupt 2 seasons ago buy players and Hull City WHam Swansea and a lot of other teams and that is forgetting the top 7 cubs who are spending mega bucks.
We are just seeing the tip of the iceberg because some of the players signed will have been told we expect top 6 BUT as it is it will not happen and if by the slightest chance it did look what happened when we finished 5th
08 Aug 2014 14:13:05
Art - the TV money pays for the Wages. We generate 25m in gates per year, most of which goes to paying off our debts. Ashley has bought cheap and sold high, and is building a squad on the difference, it's a brilliant business plan! He's generated enough cash to rebuild the squad and has spent most of it! He's a business man and owns the club so he's entitle to make money! The time to worry is when the balance sheet is showing a negative, you don't want to end up like Leeds!!
Think it is simple Fans want to see the club at least compete and they are almost there BUT a CB Striker Play maker are essential to keep the team in touch with the top 7
We might get away with no play maker but we will not get away with out at least one defender who is quality and a Striker who can score week in week out
Whilst clubs with ambition and want to win silverware get the job done and pay the right price Newcastle Ashley wants everything at his price which is why we are still pondering.
Ashley gets such a hard time. His approach from a business perspective can not be argued - look at how stable the club is, and how we have a platform to build on for the future. I do feel for him, imagine how hard it must be to be a fan and be objective about it. I think people forget all the other costs in running the club - the 60m covers all that, and our debt. The fact we have been able to buy players without touching our tandard income is fantastic, and Ashley as shown that when it is needed he will spend money.
Danieljp Rubbish get your facts right
Ashley had made NUFC an average Premiership club
Future forget it Ashley now knows when to sell
This club will NEVER be a top club with Ashley as owner
At least at Everton who had nowhere near the money Ashley has, had out his heart and soul in the club.
Everyone has a point but nobody mentions the tax that has to be paid. We sold Cabaye for 19mill, how much tax did we have to pay on that?? I'd say around 40%ish?
{Ed007's Note - There are taxes, agents fees, taxes on agents fees, residual insurances, relocation expenses, arrangement fees all to be considered in addition to the transfer fee and then the wages.
As for transfer fees, what is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).
(n) Variables and tax on variables which may or may not be reclaimable) – these would typically include legal fees, moving/relocation costs, etc.. This was off the top of my head and I may well have forgotten something. The big numbers are the transfer fee, agent fees (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years) and possibly other intermediary fees (what do you mean you have a super agent?}
What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(b) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(c) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding wages and bonuses).}
09 Aug 2014 21:37:21
Lacazette spotted in toon tonight with agent and some friends apparently he is going to attend the match tomorrow at st james park and finalise move reported 10m with ben arfa doing one back to france.
Thanks Ed, someone with some facts for a change. Great to get some clarity around how the football business works.
Cheers muchly, that more than clears that up.