Newcastle Banter Archive April 03 2012

03 Apr 2012 22:01:13
i play for nufc academy and i saw shaun maloney driving out the gates he had a smile on his face alan pardew shortly followed and then mike ashley shot of in his helicopter from above 100% true

Is this the bournemouth left back?

The bournemouth left-back is scott Malone

03 Apr 2012 15:04:43
Carrol was forced out of Newcastle..that Mike Ashley guy wanted 35m.. I don't think he ever wanted to play for Liverpool..It must have broken his heart having to leave his boyhood club..I feel for the guy..Money talks and it stinks to high heaven. The Newcastle fans should be ashamed of themselves for booing him like they did, he gave his heart and soul for that club. Without his sale they wouldn't be in the position they are in now. That poor lad must be feeling suicidal after the experience he went through on Sunday. Kenny should have known better and let him play for the 90mins..Why do people feel joy out of others poor fortune? This is whats wrong with the world not just football.. Don't get me started on the greed and selfishness of the Tories but I guess thats for another forum...People need to wake up.. Isaac Young (Liverpool fan in Peace)

Exactly Money talks. Carroll said he would stay but we wanted bigger wages off us, even though he had only just signed a new deal! So yeah money does talk and Carroll wanted a piece of the pie! No loyalty there, especially after he was given the number 9 shirt!

Well said (original post)

Nobody forced him too sign a contract.

He wanted more money, thats why he got stick. simple

03 Apr 2012 18:43:24
Whilst I agree with the sentiment of the original post, I can also see the other side of the argument. I guess we'll never know for certain what went on with regards to his transfer unless he comes out and tells us which he's probably contractually obliged not to do. On another note it is not necessarily the case that without his sale we would not be in this position.

What a load of S**T. He didn't have to leave. He had just signed a new deal. As soon as his agent and Carrol found out Liverpool wanted him he asked for a pay rise. Even though he just signed a new deal. That is greed. Banged on about being a geordie, wearing the number 9 shirt, blah blah blah. That soon changed when the pounds signs appeared. Best bit of Business Newcastle have ever done. He has turned out the way the majority of knew he would. We only know half the stories of his drinking and fighting or should I say hitting woman. Good riddance. We Geordies don't suffer fools lightly. {Ed001's Note - you might want to check your facts, it was nothing to do with Liverpool's interest, it was when Spurs came in that he asked for a pay rise. He then signed a new contract, Ashley was the one who asked him to make the move to Liverpool because the money was too good. Carroll was told it was in the club's interest and was convinced to move, against his wishes. Much as I would like to say he wanted to join Liverpool, he really didn't want to leave. As for your nonsense about fighting and drinking, you might be a little bit clueless if you think you don't suffer fools, you all worshipped Barton until he left. There are quite a few more in your squad, as there are in every Premier League team, that are regularly misbehaving, just because some do it more quietly, doesn't mean they are good little boys. Your manager is hardly a model of virtue after all!}

Lots of suppoters boo their old players mostly in banter,lots of us said good luck to the lad he is on a good pay packet and a good contract take the rough with the smooth. tory greed and selfishness what about the likes of tony blair john prescott ken livingstone and hundreds of geordies and scousers fiddlling benefits mugging burglary etc dont get me started

Ed ,Did Pards not come out in the press recently to set the record straight and say that "He looked me in the eye and said he wanted to leave" re Andy Carroll. {Ed001's Note - I don't care what Pards said, I wouldn't trust that man, but I would trust the people that told me at the time what was happening and why it was that Newcastle managed to get 35m for him. If he had wanted to go why did Newcastle not accept the 27m Spurs offered? Simple, they knew he didn't want to go so could hold out for the best possible offer. Carroll did request a transfer, purely because he was asked to in order to waive the loyalty bonus a player is entitled to. That is why he was so upset at the weekend, he knows he is being made out to be the bad guy. He still hopes to return to Newcastle in the future. He does need to sort himself out, he needs to grow up, it was obvious this was going to happen, Ashley and Pardew couldn't risk the fans turning on them. Clearly they made the right decision for Newcastle, that is the important thing at the end of the day isn't it?}

Im sorry but this is utter rubbish, Carroll, if he was forced to leave and didn't want to would not waive a loyalty bonus. Also I trust what Pardew said in his interview about Carroll saying he wanted to leave and that after he signed the new deal we would not match the offer from Liverpool.

If Carroll wanted to stay that much he could have said he wouldnt sign for liverpool, Newcastle would have still played him.

I trust what Pardew says more than some mystery source which you can't name ED...no offence meant but it seems pretty clear. {Ed001's Note - you can trust who you like, but Pardew is not telling the truth and you have no idea. It happens all the time that players put in written transfer requests to help make a move happen. Alan Smith did so to help Leeds out. Do you really think I would make up something about a player not wanting to be at Liverpool? I hate the fact that a player wouldn't want to be there, it hurts to think that someone is there who doesn't want to be. As for Pardew, why don't you try asking him why he got the sack from previous jobs and see what he says? Then you will find out just how honest he is.}

Also the deal was great for newcastle, ashley clearly didnt want to sell as if he did he would have sold to spurs for 27mil....he would not have expected liverpool to offer 30 then increase to 35.

In fairness ashley doenst like to sell really, only sold carrol for silly money, then the other three enrique, nolan and barton as they didnt sign new deals and thought they were big time.

Plus I don't think we would take carroll back, he doesnt fit our new style and we could get much better players for the price. {Ed001's Note - exactly, Ashley didn't want to sell, but the money was too good, Carroll didn't want to go, but again the money was too good for Newcastle. It worked well, Newcastle are better without him.}

Whats pards previous got to do with out ? It's what he does while with us that matters could not give a flying fig about his past or anybody else's . Agree with both sides to a degree , end of the day , Carroll chose to leave for more money , whether he wanted to or not .

Pretty sure pardew said 'he looked me in the eye and said he wanted to leave' idiots

Take pride in other people's misery HE's GETTING PAID 80k A WEEK TO PLAY F&CKING FOOTBALL MAN! wtf has he got to be miserable about?!?! I'll swap him for my job if he's having that tough a time! {Ed001's Note - 50k, but I get your point.}

Ed? I guess you are not a Newcastle fan? I say that with your reference to Alan Pardew being " your manager is hardly a model of Virtue after all ". If you were/are a Toon you would have said OUR. What has other players got to do with it? Carrol constantly brought the club to light in the wrong way and from what I hear he is no better behaved in Liverpool. As for Baton a lot of fans were sick of Barton comments long before he left. Don't sterotype all fans the same. {Ed001's Note - guess? I have never claimed to be a Newcastle fan. What have Carroll's off field activities got to do with it? No one was arguing about them. You are clearly unable to grasp the point at all. You are too busy being bitter about losing a player you are better off without! Bizarre.}

Why would you lie? not saying you did i am just saying why are your sources more reliable than what a manager says.

Obviously managers dont always tell the truth. i could understand not believing pardew at the time if he said carroll wanted to leave but he only said it last week, we all support the decision to let him go now so it seems strange he would choose now to "lie" to make us all accept it. Both parties wanted carroll to stay initially but when the money was on the table both wanted the money.

And isn't Ed01 a liverpool fan? i post a bit on there from time to time and sure he is.

ToonFan {Ed001's Note - yes I am, that is how I know Carroll didn't want to move, Liverpool literally had to convince him, with Newcastle's help, to make the move. He could have easily dug his heels in and stayed, yes he could, but he was convinced it was in the club's best interests if he went. He even asked about Spurs, who had offered him more money per week, but they wouldn't match Liverpool's bid. Pardew is saying what helps him, if he turns round and says he wanted rid of Carroll, which he did, (understandably because the lad was too much hassle and he wanted rid of the drinkers) if there is a bad run, those fickle knee jerk fans, that every club has, will start to get on his back.}

Yep ED01 is a liverpool fan i asked him months ago ...geordie tom

Bitter ED. I am not bitter he left I am glad. You are the one saying get your facts right. My facts are spot on. You are not the only one who has sources at club level. What is Bizarre is that you comment on a team you don't even support and try and put us right with your comments on Pardew and Carrol. If you know so much then spit it out. {Ed001's Note - why is that bizarre? Do you think that only fans of the club know anything about it? That would be a bit stupid considering Ashley is a Spurs fan, I would suggest he would know more about the club than you do.}

Find it funny ED how you only allow some comments on and not others. Their was no swearing or name calling in my post reference Barton. Do you not like being wrong. {Ed001's Note - not at all, it was because it was irrelevant, you were gossiping like an old woman about player's private lives, all stuff that had nothing to do with it and stuff I never disagreed with. If you want a celebrity gossip site go elsewhere.}

Ed at no point did I say that I know more than Ashley. you want to read the remarks before being presumptious. I simple said you are not the only person who has contacts at the club. As for his private life only stated how most Geordies knew how he would turn out, also it goes to further strengthen why I was glad when we sold him for 35million. I was responding to the original poster. According to Derek Llambis, Ashley ain't a Spurs fan either. So far you have called me childish, bitter, a gossip and bizarre. Name calling is childish which is how you sound also shows a lack of intelligence. {Ed001's Note - if you say so, but a lack of understanding of the points being made is far more of an example of lack of intelligence. I would suggest you learn to read, digest and understand the posts before you accuse others of lacking intellectual capacity. You will then understand that I never said you claimed to know more than Ashley, just that you did try to make out anyone who wasn't a fan of the club shouldn't be commenting on them and lacks knowledge of the club. I then pointed out that Ashley is not a Newcastle fan and yet he knows a lot more about the club than you, who are a fan. It is obviously going over your head, you have completely missed the argument and tried to jump into personal attacks against the player, which actually support my point that Newcastle wanted him out. Again that seems to be escaping you.}

I think ed is just bitter.
liverfool have become the laughing stock of the prem.
at the start of every season you here all the fans coming out saying there going to win the league.what a joke of a club..
there a mid tabler team.. {Ed001's Note - so I admit to a player not wanting to join the team I support? Bitter is the guy who can't even use the real name to refer to a rival team. I am far from bitter, why would I be? I fail to see how you can accuse me of being bitter for pointing out that a player did not want to leave your club because he loves it? What is the issue here? This is getting embarrassing now, you all seem to be incapable of understanding a simple point.}

This argument seems very biased! the ed only letting comments on he can shoot down or belittle seems a bit silly and unfair! typical opposition fan {Ed001's Note - you have no idea what I am deleting at all, so that is a ridiculous comment. Not quite as stupid as your final childish and extremely pathetic little dig though.}

Ed, I think the whole Pardew sayign carroll wanted to leave would have made sense as soon as the deal was done and fans were gutted about it...but Pardew made them comments last week, by now nobody cares about carroll anymore, I know what you mean though that he will obviously cover his own back.

Do you have any idea why liverpool paid so much for him? after paying much less for an obviously more talented footballer in Suarez.

And recently Llambias revealed Ashley to be a Chelsea fan, he said he has no idea where people got the spurs stuff from.

ToonFan {Ed001's Note - the Spurs stuff is because he used to go to White Hart Lane regularly. Secondly Liverpool paid what they had to in order to get a deal done, the new owners had to prove they were not like the previous ones and needed to make a statement of intent, due to selling Torres. It came down to desperation in the end to be honest, Llorente, Gomez and numerous others had been bid for. Toivonen rejected Liverpool after a fee had been agreed and basically it was the only player that could be found. In a position like that, you have to pay the asking price! I don't know why Pardew has come out and said it recently, I don't understand it, unless it was just to make sure the lad knew he wasn't going to have a chance of returning? I know there is a possibility Liverpool will cut their losses on him, it is very possible his reps sounded out Newcastle and Pardew was just making sure his position wasn't undermined by any attempts to get Carroll back. Pardew had good reason to get rid, he certainly won't want him back, not until he grows up and starts looking after himself properly.}

Good points Ed.

I think if we did get him back publicly saying we aren't interested and that he forced the move might make liverpool offer him to us a say 7mil instead of 10mil....and that 3 mil could be another signing or 2 to us.

Really I dont want him back, we have totally changed the team/system since he did leave and we are better for it.

ToonFan {Ed001's Note - I don't see any reason for Newcastle to want him back, the club is so much better off without him, it would make no sense. Now the club looks a serious possibility for Champions League football in the future. It is no wonder Pardew would want to kill off any talk of him returning!}

Hate this "he wanted to go" "he cares about newcastle" tosh, he had 5 yrs left on his contract, if he didnt want to go he didnt have to, pushed or not, all he had to say was "im not leaving and if you force me i will go to the media" Imagine how much he would be worshipped if he had went to the chronicle or sky and told all but stayed at NUFC! Pushed, yeah Im sure the offer of more per week plus a nice chunk of that transfer fee made his decision nice and easy, he didnt even know we were safe in the league at the time and he turned his back on us, he;s made his bed now lie in it JUDAS!

03 Apr 2012 06:19:41
I read the comments about Champions League aspirations next season. Sometimes its the pressure on a team that makes the results all the harder. Something I don't think our players at LFC have coped with at all.

Spriggo

We have got a good chance, as you just said, we have no pressure. huge advantage