Newcastle Banter Archive May 21 2013

21 May 2013 23:20:20
I won't mind if Pardew stays on the condition that Gutierrez gets his useless backside somewhere where he cannot put his feet on the St. James's turf again. Absolute joke of a player, the likes of him and Williamson need to go.

Yeah you're right, Pardew wasn't to blame for this season, it was ALL down to one player.

Here we go again season finished and we are happy with Pardew. Well welcome to another 7 years of nothing just staying in the Premiership is Ashley's aim No more no less. Get real Pardews remaining tenure says it all.

21 May 2013 21:00:35
Pardew is now the second longest serving manager in the Prem

21 May 2013 19:57:56
West Ham have apparently agreed to buy Andy Carroll from Liverpool for a reported fee of £15m. Looks like we might have missed out on another target because of Ashley's refusal to spend.

You sound like a sulking kid who's just had his arse spanked. Get a grip.

If we want Carroll, we'll get him. The deal isn't done until Andy agrees personal terms and the transfer window actually opens in July.

This has got ages to play out yet, this is just an opening salvo.

DomW.

Pressures just been put on Newcastle to match the fee if they want him, sure if that happens andy will take a pay cut to move back

Why would we want him? People moaning about hoofball then wanting the long haired, so-so moocher. He's not worth 5 million, 15 million, what a laugh.

Honestly the best footballed related news I've heard all week. Are people seriously moping about this? Christ alive. Carroll is a decent player, but he plays Alladyce football, and that's what we want to move away from. He doesn't have the technical ability to be a part of what we want for our club, isn't even fit to lick Ben Arfa's boots. Aim higher.

21 May 2013 17:17:04
Great news for Newcastle today. Pulis has left stoke. He would be perfect plays the same style of football to Pardew but is a better more experienced version.

Please, NO.

You're having a laugh, Pulis, I'd rather have Pardew or FSA.

21 May 2013 16:06:01
Right, so ashley is going to make a decision in the next 48 hours about whether he's willing to give pardew a chance to get us back into the top 7 or pay out pardew's contract (although I can guarantee you there will be a clause in pardew's contract) and possibly get in Rafa Benitez who wants to stay in the premier league. If pardew does keep his job, then he has my 100% backing and should do with all the other fans. If he's sacked, then i'm just praying we get in Rafa Benitez (Top choice), Rene Girard, Laurent Blanc or Martinez not rubbish like McClaren, Curbishley, O'Neil, ericsson (Spelling), pulis etc.

I could actually see Rafa coming here, we are a big enough club for him and he respects us. If he did come in, then I reckon ashley will give him the money to sign 3 top quality players, mainly a versatile attacking player, a striker and a centre back and some extra money for players to cover some positions.

JMW

Newcastle are NOT BIG ENOUGH for RAFA.

He goes to clubs that win trophies so Newcastle are ruled out.

Newcastle won't pay Rafas wages, now stop this silly talk!

It's started again the past two summers pardew comes out and says it will be hard to keep our best players! Waiting for someone to bid big? Every fxxxxing he comes out with it never hear anyone else saying, JUST GET ON WITH IT WHAT WILL BE WILL BE! Sick of his constant excuses, top players? These nearly got us relegated! He got to go just not good enough. This time Ashley has backed his manager and he has let him down IMO. It's easy to blame this and that. At the moment there is a few good managers out there young and tactically first class. Mike don't miss out on one of them. Laudrup I would like if we could get him, raffa, Martinez. Poyet, all better than we have!

Last poster just hasn't a clue and can safely be ignored. 'Young and tactically first class' - Rafa? Whinged all through his Liverpool spell about lack of funds; only succeeds when he can buy big. Martinez? If Wigan were so good, how come they were ALWAYS in relegation trouble even when they had Rodallega, Zog, Valencia etc. Poyet? What's he done? I'll say it again (and see Mick Quinn's comments on Newsnow) it's poor players who got us into a mess. Even our best players are over-rated. A thorough clear-out is due, and we need to sign established Prem quality.

He goes to big clubs, and newcastle are one of them. One of the best fan bases in the world, lots of legends.

"we need to sign Prem quality", so does that mean the French revolution is out the window now?

Who signed the players? Joe blogs! Pardew look at raffa s record compared to others? Get your head out your arse, we all want stability, thought we had until performances this season! It's easy to say it was a flash in the pan, maybe last season was! All aim saying there are better managers out there, who could improve us, good players just need better leadership!

Re last post. You obviously don't know how transfer business is done at NUFC. Carr and Pardew recommend, but negotiations and signings are done by Llambias and the Finance Director. That's the way that most clubs operate now and why 'managers' are now called head coaches. Pardew doesn't have much say in this area, and definitely doesn't control the budget. I doubt if he even has much say on priorities for new signings. If anybody's head is up their arse (and I don't go much for childish insults) it's yours. Like so many Ashley/Pardew/Llambias haters you still haven't twigged that our 'good players' are over-rated. Don't want to repeat myself, but I'll say it again in small words so that you can understand: it was not Pardew who handled the ball in the Benfica match, it was one of the star players; and it was not Pardew who passed the ball back to a Benfica forward to score, it was another of our star players. It wasn't Pardew who sent Colo's wife back to Argentina. If you look at reports on all our poor matches during the season you'll see that all of the bad passes and missed tackles were made by our 'good' players, not by Pardew.

I will say it again! Read it, pardew may not physically sign them, but must have recommended them same thing, not good enough! Collectively that is! Down th tactics and management! Individually decent, but not organised! Read stats they don't lie pal!

Haven't you ever heard the expression 'There's lie, damned lies and then there's statistics'.

21 May 2013 15:29:41
Dont believe this garbage coming out of the club again either about having little money and struggling to keep our best players. Everton finish top 7 most seasons. They average 15 to 20 thousand fans less than us every game and we do not have to compete with Liverpool for fans. there's a difference between having no money and having money but not wanting to spend it. In 1996 we broke the world transfer record, has this ever been done by another british club? Also in 1997 after qualifying for the champions league we were officially the 5th richest club in the world. (This is not that long ago!) Last season we were back in the top 20 richest clubs in the world again. We have little to no debt, but yet we can't afford a top manager or afford to keep our best players. I get sick of hearing this lower your expectation rubbish every summer.

Here we go again! The reason you are back in the top 20, is because the club owe ashley over 100 million. But because he has an arrangement with the clubs board it doesn't show up as a debt. It actually shows up as an investment from ashley which will be paid back when he leaves. Not having a go at the toon as other clubs do this kind of financial 2-step.

What do you mean the club owe him? Are you stupid? IT IS HIS CLUB, if the club owes him it means that he owes himself. And if it's 'secret' and isn't on the books (here's the very very very obvious question) how do you know? Don't tell me, your granny once washed the shirts of the reserves 45 years ago so you are 'in the know'. Thanks for keeping us up to date, is that your mam shouting on you? Beddy time.

21 May 2013 14:58:24
Getting sick of people calling for Pardew's head. While we haven't had a great season, just look at all we've had to contend with. People are trying to justify their enthusiasm to have him sacked because he is 'tactically inept'. What exactly has he done that is tactically inept? Let me guess, he didn't play HBA, even though he has came out and said he wasn't even fit. Personally, considering HBA dodgy history when it comes to injuries, I'm glad he was reluctant to rush him back.

In terms of set peices like corners, I'm not surprised that we haven't scored since 2011, we haven't got any natural headers of the ball (except Williamson), so it's pretty easy for teams to nullify our attacks on corners and freekicks, all they have to do is mark Williamson. There is nothing else we can do but lump it in and hope it luckily falls to one of our players, but despite what you may think of teams in the league, they're too smart to just let the ball take its course, so they will clear it. If you have any other suggestions as to what we should do with freekicks I'm all ears, because the only alternative I can think of is Cabaye hits it from range, which is pot luck anyway as the box will be filled with players, so the chances of the ball making it through to the net are slim.

People need to pull their heads out of their a*** and realise that we are not a team that will be challenging for the league, if we are lucky we may snatch a league cup. If we are truly going to rejoin the upper echelons of the league it will take time and measured decisions. Look at Everton, they let a manager build a team and now they are up there every year. Even SAF retiring should provide stark reminders that constant change doesn't bring success.

So button up, keep your ridiculous unintelligent opinions for down the pub and get behind the team. This next season will be the real test for Pardew, because if he can't reproduce similar results as he did in 2011/12 season, then maybe your criticisms are well founded.

Wow, I don't even know where to start with this.

I, like you, have been an AP (e) apologist but it's time to wake up. He - not injuries, every team gets them, not a Europa league run, a lot of teams contend with that - HE is making good players worse.

If it were one player that's one thing but it's en masse.

That, my friend, is down to management.

Mmm I think the days of managers at clubs for a long time is becoming a thing past of the past. We won't see another manager like Fergy in a job for 25+ years, Wenger or even a Moyes. Chelski have won numerous trophies with lots of different managers in the last 8-10 years. Benetez has won trophies with nearly every club he has managed, I understand thet Rodgers is the fifth longest sering manager in Prem know and he hasn't been there 12 months yet.

I think if Ashley has any ambition for this club he should get Benetez in, give him some money know, get three first teamers in (my choice would be PA if poss Dejong from Ajax and Sakho) and 5 or 6 squad players before end of July, get a good pre-season with players fit and a clear and focused style of playing and we should be in top 10 for next season with a manager who wants to win a cup. Then the following season push on again and last enjoy the ride.

Agree totally!

"but despite what you may think of teams in the league, they're too smart to just let the ball take its course, so they will clear it"

How is it that Patrice Evra who is 5ft9 scores a header from a corner against us? I mean Evra isn't exactly known for his aerial threat from set pieces is he?
Why aren't we smart enough to defend corners?

It's either because our defenders are s*** or because Pardew failed to run onto the pitch and mark the late run of Evra. I blame Pardew, it's his job to cover the near post.

21 May 2013 12:06:49
keep reading about Moyes did this Ferguson did that. what i'm interested in is. is Pardew good enough as a magager to get us in top 8 consistently. has he the nous, well he has been a manager for a few years here and there and has done nothing (ye he got us to 5th last year got more players seemingly better players but got us to 5th bottom this year) Can he change his way of playing, change tactics has he the ability to see that things are not working and do something about at half time, To most of these answers on past history the answer is no. do I think Pardew is good enough as a manager No, if he doesn't get the sack will I support him Yes why? because that's what I do I support the Toon no matter who plays who manages who owns the club. I support the Toon, looking foward to the next 2 months of banter and rumours but most of all looking forward to season 13/14 full of hope once again DesToon (58 years supporting the lads and still loving it)

21 May 2013 11:14:13
Either yohan cabaye or Hatem ben arfa could leave newcastle this summer, although mike ashley will want to get us much money as he can for the players if he were to sell them. A major clearout is already being planned with Harper, simpson, williamson, jonas, gosling, obertan look all set to leave. It looks as though one of newcastle's stars being sold and it could be out of cabaye, ben arfa, tiote or santon. Alex McCarthy is being lined up as a replacement for Harper, Aubameyang is also on the radar and we could see a surprise move for Loic Remy who is currently on bail so it may be unlikely.