Newcastle Banter Archive June 17 2013
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17 Jun 2013 22:18:47
Strangely, there is quite a lot of logic in the appointment of JFK as Director of Football and its not sinister or worthy of any of the crackpot, paranoid conspiracy theories being touted around the net at the moment. Some of the headlines I've seen on NUFC news sites are just plain silly and hysterical. So let's have some balance.
I've been thinking for a while that we need a football man for Pardew to go to and I get the feeling that Pardew has been wanting this for a while too. Whether he would have chosen Joe Kinnear is another matter but he's definitely a football man for all his faults. And despite what many have said about him, he is very knowledgeable about the game.
As things stood, Pardew had no allies in a position of power, only money men. Those money men could see a deal of good financial potential i. e. buy a good young player for little money and guarantee a higher sell on fee later. However, they lack the football knowledge to know that you need some experience in the squad and occasionally you have spend money in full knowledge that you won't get it back through sale of the player later. JFK can back Pardew in that argument.
Also, Pardew is spread far too thin to get fully involved with transfers and properly prepare the team. Carr is a good talent spotter but his remit is not to build a team - JFK can add a bit of oversight into the recruitment so that there is a overarching plan to the scouting. (I suspect that Carr was supposed to fulfill this role on his own when he was promoted last year but it was a bit too much for him, so they've split his job into 2 separate roles).
Lastly, Pardew is so close to the players that it is difficult for him to be completely objective - maybe a more distant DoF can be more ruthless if necessary.
To the conspiracy theorists who think JFK is the manager in waiting - do you really believe that? JFK is 66 and has serious heart trouble - he isn't able to take on the day to day pressure of top level football management anymore. If Pardew leaves, then I can see JFK as a temporary stand-in but that's all.
Lets try to wait and see what happens rather than doom mongering. Before everyone jumps on me, I was just as shocked and slightly embarrassed to see JFK back as everyone else but I've had a chance to think about it since then and I'm resigned to the reality of it. let's just hope it works. If it doesn't, Ashley will try something else and we'll all have some new madness to gnash our teeth about eh? :-)
DomW
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I agree 100%.
Anyone would think Dalglish was back at the club.
J. K didn't do such a bad job when he was there, and he is not at the club to step on any ones toes.
I actually think he is a bit of a likeable old character, we may as well give him a chance.
If he is going to come in, whip a few players attitudes into shape and fight our corner, all power to him.
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You might wanna rethink your post mate. Have you heard his talksport interview tonight! scary stuff.
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Did anybody hear the guys interview on talksport tonight. "Shola Amemob" "Yohan kebab" "Ben Affrie" "papa Sisesee" "Gultierez" just some of the highlights.
The club is a complete laughing stock
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Has he actually got the job? No one else has actually said out. I can see him pisskng players off and them wanting to leave maybe that's the purpose. Apparently he signed Krul he must think everyone has the memory of a goldfish. He needs to get out before he starts
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There is no way paper over this appointment. His interview on Talk sport says it all. Ask yourself this. If he is all that then why are we the only one's who will give give him employment.
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How about the Newcastle fans turn their back on the game for opening minute of each game until the Joke resigns? Symbolic but powerful.
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Hmm, well the Talksport interview doesn't help my case I'll admit! lol.
However, let's not condemn a fella just because he has issues with names! I seem to remember a certain Sir Bobby Robson had a few issues in that area too.
Having said that, let's hope he shuts up and stays away from the media :)
DomW
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There is a much more fundamental problem than all this clowning around.
Quite simply this; while Ashley owns the club, Newcastle will go no-where with one possible exception - that of the Championship again.
This club is a national (no, international) joke.
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Press may be laughing now, and Mackems of course, but if (BIG if) this set-up works better than last season that'll do for me. And the real laughing stocks of football are QPR, Leeds, Portsmouth, Wednesday, Blackburn, etc, once big-time clubs now sunk by mismanagement. I'm not saying Kinnear's the BEST DoF we could have got, mind, but since I've been saying for ages that Llambias was the weak link, hearing that he'd been shunted aside sounded like good news to me.
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17 Jun 2013 20:32:58
been thinking about JK coming and can't see that it makes a lot of difference as long as AP stays, would hate to see JK as manager that would be tradgic. Going to be an interesting 3 months. PS No one at the club has actually verified this move have they
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Its the blind leading the blind. Pardew should have gone Saying that he might just walk after this latest stunt.
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17 Jun 2013 20:18:27
I think we will sign 2 strikers, a winger and a centre back (along with 2 or 3 for our development squad). I think Brown Ideye will be one of the strikers but we can forget PEA, Siem de Jong, Bony, Bent or Carroll (for different reasons), maybe Douglas as centre back, and maybe Boudebouz as the winger. These are just guesses but I think these signings would fit our blueprint and be affordable.
Toonlad9
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17 Jun 2013 20:02:34
So a possible scenario which concerns.
The last thing a man on a seven year contract will do is resign - financial suicide.
Kinnear has the final word on in's and out's undermining Pardew before he's even taken his desk. No way Pardew will tolerate Kinnear breathing down his neck - would you?
Just how ugly will this get?
So bad that Pardew is paid off? Once again, the action looks set to take place not on but off the pitch. When will this club learn?
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Pardew is a spineless yes man, he will do what Ashley tells him to do see if I am wrong. Mark-m.
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No football manager in any of the upper divisions are "spineless yes-men". Many are overbearing, egotistical megalomaniacs. but cowering wallflowers? No. Don't be daft.
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17 Jun 2013 18:52:59
Wake up! People don't like being told to Wake Up! So. you know, just wake up and stop doing it.
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17 Jun 2013 13:15:02
Maybe Ashley has spoken to Pards and they both came up with this solution, get someone in to take a bit of pressure of AP, get AP on the training ground and out of the office. In the end it is about the 11 and subs that turn out to play for us. many a time I've watched and thought to myself "Cant Pards see that" well maybe he can't see the overall picture and needs someone to talk to someone to bounce things off. i'm sure JK won't be getting a fortune and i'm sure he is exagerating his role a bit. All i'm doing is trying to work out WHY and will it help
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The problem is JK now has to look at the squad look at who needs to go who is staying, then identify targets. sounds like a lot to do in a summer! Can't see this working at all. i'm surprised Pardew hasn't walked already
Jimmy1976
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Well here we go trying to see the logic.
Get real there is no logic just idiocy
and another Laurel & Hardy moment
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The logic is simple. Llambias does (did) transfers, Llambias is clueless, Ashley sensibly gets in somebody else to do transfers - somebody he trusts and sends Llambias back to the office-boy job. Simples.
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17 Jun 2013 12:59:12
When the club announced that they were bringing an Old, Rusty Relic back to St. James Park, I was expecting the Gallowgate Gates making a comeback NOT Joe Kinnear! Another kick in the teeth for the loyal Geordie fans by our P*** taking owner. Is there no Russian/Arabs wanting to buy our club? What about Sting, Brian Johnson, Shearer getting a group together and buying this clown out? what's his next move?
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Ant and Dec must have a few quid spare? What about Cheryl Cole? Jimmy Nail?
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Yes because that collection of well known business people are going to make brilliant decisions aren't they? Get a grip.
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Add their money up and it wouldn't buy Ashley a night at the tables. And you call yourselves realists.
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17 Jun 2013 11:50:29
I ain't supporting the decision but why should he not distance himself from relegation season we were 12th when he left, not bottom 3. He ain't slagged us off he said we didn't like him because he weren't a Geordie and holdin mafia cockney out signs up at the ground kinda supports this argument lol. And in his last interview called us best fans in the world. I just want the best for my club and while this isn't the best I ain't gunna whine and bitch as there's nowt I can do. But in seriousness lighten up, everyday it's something else. A ball ain't been kicked yet and we are relegated, players we target show we have no ambition then we target a better player and get slated for dreaming as we ain't good enough, let's stop buying foreigners, then whine because we don't get a foreign director lol it's just constant whinging. And don't dare to question my love due thus club I just support through thick and thin.
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Hear hear, mate. Bit of common sense on here at last.
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While I agree with your romantic ideal I have to say it the club is being run by clowns. Common tells you if Ashleys want a DOF why put a person in charge. What does JK know about football, if he is/was that good why has he been in the wilderness so long? Its jobs for the boys again. I will always support the lads regardless but it is the blind following of 52,000 at the ground and countless other thousand who support the club as to why Ashley will continue to treat us we so much contempt.
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Question then. Why sack someone who clearly wasn't good enough for the managers job but then stick him as DOF to undermine the current boss.
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Because most of us are awake and not drunk and don't take S. t not like some mupetts On here
Ashley is a disgrace and has added another clown to the 2 he already has
Wake up Man
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Oh yes - 'the kick me in the face I love it' fans are mobilising.
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With you on that mate
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He had a heart attack and left on health grounds not sacked lol.
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Ashley is a disgrace why? Apart from Keegan and Robson we are in precisely the same pot of mid table mediocrity as we were under the last owners but this time the club is financially secure. Or we could do a Pompey and a Leeds have 2 minutes of glory then bog off to the lower leagues because of financial suicide. Yeah I want more ambition but believe me I'd rather support mid table Newcastle united than league 2 Newcastle united. Ashley this Ashley that what has he done wrong somebody tell me? We were never champions and in a slumber when he took us on. And we haven't progressed in terms of league position, but as a club and a squad we certainly have.
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''Why sack someone who clearly wasn't good enough for the managers job but then stick him as DOF to undermine the current boss. ''
First of all, he was not employed as Manager, he was a stand in.
He was not sacked, he had a medical condition - exactly the reason why he will never be manager ever again.
DOF is not really what he is, I am not sure what he is being given that title.
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I was very disappointed yesterday when I found out about Kinnear joining however I'm not so bad Today the way I see it is he's here now so no point in moping over it and he won't put up with players taking it easy the club has let too many players have an easy ride for to long players like Ameobi who has been paid millions by our club with very little to show for it and happy to warm the bench and maybe he'll give Obertan the kick up the arse he needs or get rid of him.
The only person who has spoke is Kinnear who I think has most likely over exaggerated what he will be doing at the club.
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Kinnear knows more than Llambias, so that's an improvement; and why's he been out of work? The bloke had an effing heart attack, that's why, you daft ha'porth. And you're all suddenly so concerned that poor Pardew might be undermined? Last week you would happily have had him hung, drawn and quartered! Talk about fickle, ignorant fans - you're a disgrace!
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Totally agree with original post
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Its not about been fickle and all the rest of the rubbish your spouting. It simple down to the fat that JK has been brought in. He know zero about football or the role he is in. It obvious to everyone other than the pro Ashley brigade what MA is doing. Pi$$ of Pardew then he walks, stick JK in charge again. Before you lot say financial suicide, Keegan walked and later returned to sue Ashley for a very similar reason Wise and Keegan ring a bell?
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Director of football is not what he is? Have you listened to the persons broadcast. He say's he is just that. It's cringe worthy listening to him spout his rubbish. No surprise that no one at the club will confirm it. Most likely to embarrassed. Once again we are the laughing stock of the football world.
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I'm not from the pro-Ashley brigade and I called you fickle
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17 Jun 2013 09:58:26
I'm not Overly chuffed with joe linear coming in, but it really is much to do about nothing. Let's face it he's saying all the right things, appeasing the fans, demanding better quality etc. and let's face it before he came we had dirty Derek in charge of transfers, so at least joe knows what a players attributed should be. And above all I hardly think joe kinnear is a yes man. He will fight Ashley for things. I would prefer somebody else, he's old fashioned, but so are capello, trapatonni, van gaal etc but we wouldn'tind any of them. And I know they have European pedigree etc but hopefully u get what I'm trying to say. Fingers crossed it works out, if not the doom mongerers can have the field day they seem desperate for.
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What a load of boll**ks Kinear is another Ashley puppet, its jobs for the boys. This is Ashley telling us fans it his club and he can do what he wants with it. As for saying all the right things. He is slating us and distancing himself from our relegation. He is clown.
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Ashley don't want to sack Pardew as he has a big contract. Next best thing bring in a mouthy person to pi$$ Pardew of so he walks leaving the job open for JK to walk back in as boss. Utterly sick of our club been run by this person.
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Ashley Pardew Kinnear. The three stooges are back.
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What is with all the crack pot theories?
Kinnear was not offered the Newcastle job on a permanent basis last time, why would he get it this time.
And do you really think Pardew will walk away from a 7 year deal? Where is he going to go do you reckon.
Wake up!
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Second post is same old same old. Try to explain in English what you mean by 'puppet'. Somebody who does what they're paid to do? Would you prefer somebody who argues with the boss and gets the sack straightaway? What use is that, I'd like to know?
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No I would prefer someone who has a backbone and says what he feel rather than just towing the party line to get by. It no the same old same old. It's just the same. Big difference. Is English enough for you?
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Same old same old, to coin a phrase from the pro Ashley brigade even you lot can think that this a is good appointment.
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We've heard your same old same old whining for ages now. You've had your say over and over. When you grow up to be a man, have the guts to send a letter to Ashley saying you won't buy his products and here' s my season ticket and shirt back. But you won't will you?
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Already done so yes is the answer to your question child. He sent one back say thanks for that, I am now appointing JK as DOF how do you like that?
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17 Jun 2013 09:52:16
Not here to gloat.
What the h**k is going on at Newcastle?
I love the banter between us, but I can't bring myself to take the piss over this, it is too ludicrous.
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All I will do is buy 4 season tickets for new season comming up with joe back good times ahead for newcastle joe will do a better job than the one at jokerland up the road.
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The guy is a real dinosaur.
You needed rid of Pardew not bring in another load of crap.
Enjoy.
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Haha you couldn't make it up I love it
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Lol our dof was inters chief scout, but kin near did find dean holdsworth so good luck! you're going to need it.
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17 Jun 2013 09:20:07
So Joe Kinnear is the new director of football. quick question "what does a director of football actually do!" and if we have to have one then why Joe Kinnear? the guy has achieved absolutely nothing in football!.
We don't do ourselves any favours at newcastle.
With regards to the whole cabaye saga I say let him go, because he obviously wants to. Quality player but would get a good price for him, which could (but won't) be invested in the team.
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He has won 3 manager of the year titles, although 2 of them must of been his own unofficial 'held in his back garden' award type events as officially he's only won 1 apparently.
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17 Jun 2013 08:15:20
After a nignt of calming down I've realised that this joe kinnear thing will benefit the club in some way, this is Ashley's business, he won't do anything to lose money, from the sale of Andy Carroll (bought us players like cabaye) to the renaming of st James (brought money from Sponcers) in the end everything Ashley does ends up as somthing better and bigger
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Calm down now your deluded
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17 Jun 2013 00:30:38
Kinnear's saying that he, Ashley and Pardew are going to have a meeting about signings, sales, budgets etc. Now correct me if I'm wrong but weren't there reports weeks ago that Ashley, Pardew, Llambias and Carr have done this already? So is this to get Kinnear up to speed or did the original meeting not actually happen or are we going all the way back to square one? Is there a chance of something good happening this window?
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Don't panic! Pardew never had any say over transfers in any case. Kinnear's been brought in to do Llambias' job and to get our targets over the line. And if Pardew walks you'll all be happy, won't you?
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Way I see it, if meeting did take place, Ashley had no confidence that Llambias could make the plan work. Think back to last summer and the panic of January - got to do better this year!
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How long are we going to keep putting up with this S**t. Not a chance of renewing my season ticket now. WTF does JK know about football.
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That's it, I'm done. I'm not supporting this club while MA is in charge. Yes I'll miss it but we've all got to look at the bigger picture. Stop supporting this clown!
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I don't support Ashley I support Newcastle United I`ll be on this site tomorrow and I`ll be looking forward to the season starting and I`ll be behind the toon in everything they do. Over the last 50 years i`ve seen some strange things, things I liked things I didn't like but to say stop supporting them is ridiculas and the last thing I would do
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