Newcastle Banter Archive July 14 2013

14 Jul 2013 20:20:32
All this talk of rolando and bent makes me laugh! we go for young players who can get us some decent money. i'm not a fan of ashley but i'm not going to slag him off! january I thought here we go no ones coming in and suddenly we bring in mbiwa, sissoko, haidara and gouffran. the players we have been linked with so far wouldn't make a difference to our team. would love to see players like Matthias ginter, Pablo sarabia, mbaye niang. talented with great value. nice thought anyways. Geordie sean

He was forced to buy those players In January due to our relegation scrap. They were earmarked for this current window. Glad we got them when we did or we still would have nobody in.

Hope you right don't want bent he's poor

I agree, I don't think we'll go for bent. I can see us going for Remy, Sinclair, ince or moses. but niang is a very nice thought! although I doubt milan will sell only for silly money. But don't be surprised to see some foreign, young talents who you may have roughly heard of or never heard of (Basically some graham carr gems like sissoko, haidara etc. )

14 Jul 2013 18:35:16
The sooner we realise that we will not sign any player that will improve our team the better. Ashley is just in it for the profit, happy to stay in the prem as long as it doesn't cost him anything. I mean would you sign on if interviewed by Kinnear, the man is a clown. I fear the worst & it's Heartbreaking.

FFS, i'm going to have to stop repeating myself. There's a lot more to business then you actually see. Ashley knows that he must provide funds in order to bring in new players and have a good season, well that's how he'll see it. The more successful we are, the more dosh he gets.

JToon I wish you would stop repeating yourself. You sound like Ashley's mouthpiece. Ashley only interest is PL survival season in season out.

14 Jul 2013 16:29:11
Our club is a joke always will be. Owners just exploit and laugh at the loyalty of our fans.

We will never have success we will just be let down again and again. I don't know why I or we bother. Its our love of football and pride but I have had enough. Me and my 3 mates have cancelled our season tickets and never going back. Its a waste of time and money. Its like an explorer looking for gold that dosnt exist and not knowing that keeps looking and looking.

Were a big club bigger than our neighbours for a fact.

But I am envious of them not because they are signing players but they always have good owners they are a family club. You must admit your envious of that too?.

Bob murray tight not the richest but loved the club and build them a new stadium and training ground etc.

Quinn loved them so much got a consortium together and bought them. Why hasn't shearer etc done that for us?.

Quinn encouraged Ellis Short to buy the club and he is taking them to a whole new level whether you like it or not. Or whether you can bring yourself to admit it or not because of petty hatred.

I love newcastle utd don't care about Sunderland but giving an example.

The sunderland board talk to the fans answer any concerns etc keep them up to date with how the club is ran etc and they have a big say in the club. They asked for away fans to be moved. They got it. They are something I wish we were a family club a honest club then we could achieve things.

Yes we can be deluded me too. Yes we get carried away were just proud loyal fans who want value for money and people running the club who care. We probably deserve success but were not entitled to it we just want a club to be proud of not a joke of a club.

Well said bonnie lad, I will make this my last season and will vote with my feet. I too love football and will spend my season ticket money on watching all the games on TV.

Got to be a mackam no true toon fan would spout about the smbs like that

14 Jul 2013 19:50:02
Great post. And I'm a Sunderland supporter. Ashley doesn't give a hoot about you. All he sees is money.

I do agree with some points, us being a bigger club but sunderlands owner willing to spend, but the thing is, ashley knows he doesn't want to waste a single penny, hence why we try and get the best deals for all of our players, basically play hardball. Although it can be incredibly frustrating, you have to think, its for the best for the club. Yes, ashley can be a bit selfish and unthoughtful, but he's a great businessmen. there is a massive increase in the money a club gets for their position finish in the premier league. There is no doubt that ashley will have plans to make us a top 6 club within the next maybe 2-6 years.

Yes we haven't officially bought anyone in yet, but we will and we may very well already be in advanced negotiations for some players, its just that the media don't know about it. Let me tell you, ashley will care about what happens to newcastle, because it will effect him and his business. he won't want another season like the one we've just had as, if you haven't noticed he bought in a director of football (Ok maybe its not the person we would of liked) to replace llambias because JK will do the transfer negotiations better than llambias.

The fact that his record spend is like 10m for coloccini or 9m for cisse and we finished 5th, is incredible. he'll want to keep that going, keep buying those cheap, graham carr gems. because we now know, that with our squad, we can reach those heights again.

Sunderland are paying Wes Brown 70k a week, and goodness knows how much to Adam (can't cross) Johnson.

I would rather we buy good players and get it right instead of just buying whatever is being flogged at the time.

Im the original poster.

Its that post above that bothers me. Got to be a mackam no true toon fan would spout about the smbs like that.

Just a pointless false post. what's the point. Your the clueless jealous pathetic bitter type.

We are bigger than sunderland JUST and not by much. Ellis Short is capable of making them bigger. that's my point. Were are stagnant they are ambitious.

Why all the bitterness though towards each other?. Its pathetic and childish. The banter is just not funny anymore. Tyne and wear derby was the best and its not anymore. Its like we celebrate each others downfall. It should be the opposite.

To OP,
no the point is, is that short is just literally splashing the cash left right and centre on any player, wes brown 70k a week prime example. Diakite and roberge on frees, diakite couldn't get into the lazio team. roberge very inexperienced in the prem, playing for a mediocre Portuguese team. Ashley will spend well and wisely, trust me. I guarantee we will bring in at least 2 quality players.

Ashley didn't spend wisely in january, did he, sissoko 2 game wonder, debuchy not good enough for the league, 2 good games at world cup, short is building a good squad, because he care about his club, our new scouts have been watching these players for a few seasons they know all about them, and we haven't spent much money either still time for a few good players to come, looking forard to the season, looks like your lot are panicking now Bent h Remy didn't want to play for you last season, but yous all want him, what's wrong does no one want to sign for your wee club.

Your scouts have been watching these players for years. What utter crap. Your new DOF is buying them. They have proved nothing in their leagues never mind the PL. we are not panicking that is what Sunderland are doing with all these nobody's you keep buying. Wee club? What is Sunderland then?

Sissoko, haidara, mbiwa will be quality players. debuchy is top class. SMB. Ssshh with the wee club thing, did you not hear fergie didn't mean it? he said we have loyal and passionate supporters and deserve to be winning trophies. if newcastle are just a wee club, then sunderland must not exist

Sissoko 2 game wonder, debuchy totally overrated only your own fans think they are class, and yes our new top class scout has watched them for a few years and tried to get them to milan, stick with carr you need a new keeper krul will leave and cabab will leave wonder how many more will jump ship they must have realised now they are not going to go any where with your club.

''We are bigger than sunderland JUST and not by much. Ellis Short is capable of making them bigger. that's my point. Were are stagnant they are ambitious.

Why all the bitterness though towards each other?. Its pathetic and childish. ''

So we get relegated; then we bounce back and get 5th (2nd season back) in the league and then get to a Quarter final in Europe last season, and all of a sudden you are flattering Sunderland and berating your own team because Ashley hasn't skipped to your beat and bought a load of mediocre players in the first 2 weeks of the transfer window? I mean this with respect but you need to review your outlook.

Also, yes, we do celebrate the downfalls of each others sides. It is called competition, and that is what makes winning all that much sweeter. We drive each other on in this fashion. Don't you think it is ironic to call fans ''pathetic and childish'' because you deem the competitive streak to be too edgy.

By all means, you are welcome to be pessimistic. It is not like you are on your own.

There are some of us that can see the bigger picture.

There are some of us that do not base 'everything' on how many players you sign, regardless of quality.

Last summer I was fuming that we did not sign players, and at the point I would probably have agreed with you. But did you miss the New Year transfer window when we got 5 very very good players in? Are you forgetting there is still plenty of this window to go and basically all we need is a striker, which we will get, even if that has to be Bent as a last option.

Try to look at it logically.

Jtoon, 'Short splashing the cash, left right and centre', haha, these were players targeted in advance, if you do the Sums, I realise maths might not be top of your list, of the players actually signed at this moment, and players we've sold, we hav'nt spent anything. If the signings we make this week all go through, its about 12 mill. Time will tell if they all prove to be good signings, who knows! But the original poster, can see the bigger picture, and makes some good points. And the poster who used SMB, we do exist, and that's what worries you! Simple. gb.

14 Jul 2013 12:46:45
Would everyone be happy if we signed
Bent for £5m, Remy for £8m, Sinclair for £5m, Zoet for £2m

Just seems strange to me signing Bent and Remy ever since Pardew came in he's wanted players with the right attitude supposedly turning down the chance to sign Gervinho because he used his phone whilst in a meeting with the club as well as getting rid of players like Ranger and Barton, yet we're after a player who Lambert wanted as far away from his squad as possible and another who messed us about in January. Stinks of desperation to me.

No thx. .

14 Jul 2013 12:53:32
Cisse defiantly leaving as the club are making him train by himself because of the wonga thing. Which clubs would want to buy him and for how much?

He's probably doing Ramadan and would probably be on a different training schedule to everyone else because of this!

He's on a special traning routeing because of Ramadan. Weights and toning not because of wonga sponsor don't read into paper talk waffle {Ed001's Note - this is boring now, Wonga is not an issue, just like the previous sponsor was not an issue. There is no dispute over shirt sponsorship between Cisse and Newcastle whatsoever.}

First post you read anything into nothing no wonder other fans think we are all plonkers
Get some real news and post it if not read the Dandy

I agree that this is boring now Ed but won't Ben Arfa & Tiote also be doing Ramadan? Anyway, I just think he is playing catch up as he arrived back late due to international duty, I'm sure the others started off like this last week as I saw photos of some of the guys training in the gym etc. {Ed001's Note - spot on mate, this is nothing to do with religion, purely a guy doing a different training regime as he was away and is not ready to train with the others.}

Ed001 do you support newcastle? {Ed001's Note - no, Liverpool. }

14 Jul 2013 10:45:27
Slightly worried as a Newcastle fan at the minute in regards to strikers.
Firstly we have been after some top quality strikers such as Bony and Augbemayeng and we are stuck with two strikers like Bent and Remy.
Bent is 29 and hasn't had many games last season and the fact he is ex Sunderland doesn't make it any better, in regards to Remy he turned us down for QPR is just a joke and do we want that type of footballer, who is also on a court trial soon which is just a bigger gamble in itself.
Just my personal opinion but would like to hear if you agree or not, ideally I would like to see us bring in Jordan Rhodes and Brown Ideye (Dynamio Kiev).

All he's money is tied up in businesses. He hasn't got that much in the bank i'm afraid. If he's businneses failed over night what they are capable of doing he would be in financial ruin.

Good?

14 Jul 2013 02:08:20
it's really frustrating seeing teams signing quality players like norwich who have signed van wolfswinkel and leroy fer and swansea who have signed bony. JFK goes on holiday and we miss out on our two top targets PEA and bony. I think where going to have a terrible season next year if we don't sign at least three first team players. its good were getting rid of fringe players like gosling but selling perch was a mistake he covered so many areas last season and proved to be a real asset.
realistic targets:
brown ideye 7m
loic remy 6m
darren bent 6m
kevin gamiero 8m
seydou doumbia 11m
scott sinclair 5m
jeroen zoet 1.5m
matej vydra 4m
florain thauvin 5m
yann mvila 7m
toby alderwield 5m
jermaine lens 5m
tim matavz 6m
siem de jong 6m
nacer chadli 6m
ryad boudebouz 4m

from that list my selection would be loic remy toby alderwield jeroen zoet and siem de jong and that's 18.5m well spent

We've supposedly had a 1.7m bid rejected for Zoet.
Vydra is valued at between 6-8m
Thauvin turned us down in January to sign for Lille.
Lens has already signed for another team.
De Jong closer to 10m.

De jong is in his final year so he would come cheap