03 Nov 2013 15:02:57
Harvey sorry to upset you but suggest you watch again Obertan gave 90% of his passes to the opposition & Cisse listen to the commentary which I did after the match even they were laughing he is hopeless & the 40 people around me at the match feel the same
These 2 would not get in any other Premiership team
& if Pardew perseveres in playing them you to may
realise how poor they are.

1.) 03 Nov 2013
As I said, I suggest you go and watch the build up to the 2nd goal, which killed the game off for us. (I would be happy to link you, but this site will not allow links)

Suggesting it was a mistake for Obertan to come on is absolute nonsense as he helped set up the game killing goal. Oh and btw, he did give the ball away a few times, but that is because he was instructed to play out wide and keep the ball in the corners.

Why would I care if Obertan made a few stray passes if he helped win the game, the original statement said that it was a ''shocking decision'' by Pardew to bring on Obertan, when the 2nd goal proves that it wasn't.

And I didn't at any point state that Cisse was perfect when he came on, but he was involved in some good moves, and I believe in giving credit for good work, instead of ignoring anything good and concentrating on nothing but the bad points. Cisse had a few bad touches, but he was working hard, and he showed some flashes of his skill - that being the truth of his performance.

Cisse was involved in a build up that nearly led to a goal, he also dragged defenders away from Remy, which led to Remy getting into the game.

{Ed001's Note - we are happy to accept links, we just have spam filters in place to stop people just posting links to their websites etc, which is what happens otherwise. If you want to post up a link, just remember to remove the http:// bit at the beginning.}

2.) 03 Nov 2013
03 Nov 2013 16:01:07
Okay, Ed.

Here is the link, it is bad quality, but you will see Obertan clearly involved in the build up to the goal.

http://youtu.be/MNJMqambWfA?t=1m

For me, contributing to a goal outweighs any criticism of his passing, or criticism of the manager for bringing him on late in a game.

3.) 03 Nov 2013
Harvey Was not said they did not do something
as they should week in week out it is quite simple which they do not seem able to do often
These 2 are pathetic and if you think they warrant a place in the team that us your opinion because most fans with football acumen & sense do not
Cisse is now a joke whilst Obertan is a 2nd division player at best
Watch their overall game, as for Cisse taking players away they don't even
Mark him

4.) 03 Nov 2013
What commentary team were laughing at cisse as I didn't hear any. why not mock the fat lazy HBA who gives the ball away more than any other toon player. Least cisse tracks

5.) 03 Nov 2013
Well said Dannitoon, its about time HBA was exposed for what he is

6.) 03 Nov 2013
Dannie thought from your posts you knew football You can not mention Cisse in the same breath as HBA

As for Obertan a quote today And the margin of victory could have even been larger, had late replacement Gabriel Obertan not inexplicably contrived to lose possession when powering forward

Keep the Faith we won and that is all that counts

7.) 05 Nov 2013
Fair comment and what about Marveaux head and shoulders above Obertan. Or did you forget about him just like Pardew has done